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[REFVA]

No one here has much credibility in their world of officiating.JRutledge

I hate to sound ingnorant, but what do you mean by the comment?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by REFVA

I hate to sound ingnorant, but what do you mean by the comment?

It is obvious you have to have things spelled out for you.

I do not know about you, but I cannot reference a single person on this board and not have a bunch of people say, "Who?" With all the D1 officials and umpires we have around where I live, if I were to talk about what someone said from here I would get laughed off most conversations or presentations I will give. No one knows or cares who most people are on this board. Most people I personally know in officiating never come to this board because they would rather listen to Tommy O'Neil and LaMar Simpson then some guy with a funny name and identity who they have never seen work or what their background is.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

I am sorry you are disgruntled, I will remember not to ask you questions of this kind.

Disgruntled?

Maybe you need to look up what the word "disgruntled" means.

I have always known my place on this board or any internet site. No one is going to judge me as an official by what I say here. I will ultimately be judged by what I do on the court and what I accomplish on the court. What I say here might be interesting and up for debate, but it what you do in the real world that counts.

I am also one of the very few that uses my real name and tell people where I live and where I officiate. I cannot name very many people that do either.

Peace

[REFVA]

I have always known my place on this board or any internet site. No one is going to judge me as an official by what I say here. I will ultimately be judged by what I do on the court and what I accomplish on the court. JRutledge

I hear/understand your comment by being judge on the court, yet you went ahead and judged all the officials on this board by stating in quotes"No one here has much credibility in their world of officiating. . How do you know? so they don't want to reveal who they are. Anyone who is fairly new has expressed in any post that I have read that they are new. I've been officiating for 6 year, I still consider myself new and yet I have done some high profile HS boys games. I am good enough to do D1/2/3 games but my fulltime profesion sometime stops me from doing so. You are no better than Fanboy by putting down any official on this thread.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by REFVA

I hear/understand your comment by being judge on the court, yet you went ahead and judged all the officials on this board by stating in quotes"No one here has much credibility in their world of officiating. . How do you know? so they don't want to reveal who they are. Anyone who is fairly new has expressed in any post that I have read that they are new. I've been officiating for 6 year, I still consider myself new and yet I have done some high profile HS boys games. I am good enough to do D1/2/3 games but my fulltime profesion sometime stops me from doing so. You are no better than Fanboy by putting down any official on this thread.

I think you are taking my comments out of context. I am talking about what we say and do on an internet site not what we have done outside of this board. I am also not talking about how people are perceived outside this or any internet board and what anyone has accomplished outside of this board. I also think I have the right to my opinion on this whether you agree with it or not.

I think you need to tone down the rhetoric and realize that everything you just talked about yourself did not include your real name, where you live or anyone that says you are capable to work D1 ball as you claim. You did not talk about what association you are a member of or any other personal information that we can verify what you just claimed.

I have been criticized up and down by people that come to these sites over the years I have been here (longer than 6 years BTW). Outside of this board I have had some very good officials (some of the best and most respected in my area) go out of their way to help me out based on things I have said in association meetings, what they have seen when I work games or based on what others that worked with me have said. I even received a D1 opportunity in another sport based on the recommendation of an official that worked with me in basketball. He took the word of other respected officials and put his reputation on the line.

The main point I am making here is there is an internet culture that does not translate to the real world. Once again, most people here do not use their real name (that applies to you) or any other evidence where someone can find you. I have been contacted several times by people that have read this board for help in getting those contacts because all my contact information is out there and I use my real name.

I am happy you have been working 6 years as an official and you think you are capable to work some D1, but that was not the point of my comments. Remember, you said you are capable to work D1, there is no one else making that claim about you. See what I mean. My last point is the fact that you only have 13 posts to your name so far, some would question your credibility based on that fact alone. I do not care how many posts you have, the more posts you have does not make you a better official or bring more light to any of your argument on any subject. Give it time and someone will probably challenge you based on the number of posts or how long you have been here under the right circumstances.

Peace

[REFVA]

JR,

I don't believe that my tone was out of line. I may have mis-understood your post., and maybe I didn't. Your tone was condensending to all the officials on this thread. I took it that, there was no one on this thread with any creditablility.

You are 100% correct about my claim, about my capability. It's me claiming what level I can do. I would have not commented at all until I saw the post by you that Stated ""No one here has much credibility in their world of officiating. I ask again, How do you know? Becuase they don't use their real name.

So I don't have my real name, If I told you I was Bennie Adams, would you believe me, probably not. You woukld ask yourself, why would Bennie be here on this thread, no I'm not Bennie Adams. SO I put my username as "REFVA" that tells you what state I live in. As the one comment that made a whole lot of sense was " you are judge by your performance on the court". We all do. This thread enables all of us whether experienced or not to be able to voice their commenst and be able to learn something in the process. Who care's what my real names is If you want to know send me a private message and I'll tell you.


My IMO...

[REFVA]

I felt compelled to post this, we need to honor these statements from the NFHS website as code of ethics for officials. JR, Maybe you are an NCAA official, but I believe that they have something similar

Officials shall work with each other and their state associations in a constructive and cooperative manner.

Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interaction with student-athletes, coaches, athletic directors, school administrators, colleagues, and the public.

I feel that we don't do enough of that. especially what's in bold..

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by REFVA

JR,

I don't believe that my tone was out of line. I may have mis-understood your post., and maybe I didn't. Your tone was condensending to all the officials on this thread. I took it that, there was no one on this thread with any creditablility.

You have a right to your opinion. I was raised to say what I mean and mean what I say regardless of how people precieve it. If it upsets you (someone you have never met) gives an opinion, where I am from that says more about the person. I have not said anything that is untrue and this is exactly the same reasons many have told me personally they do not read these boards and why they would never respond. I have had friends and collegues read this board, but the minute they see the type of responses they dismiss the comments or take them for what they are. Some person saying this is the right way but no one at any camp has ever told them to follow such a procedure or the rules based on what is said here and here alone.

Originally Posted by REFVA

You are 100% correct about my claim, about my capability. It's me claiming what level I can do. I would have not commented at all until I saw the post by you that Stated ""No one here has much credibility in their world of officiating. I ask again, How do you know? Becuase they don't use their real name.

Are you telling me that "REFVA" is your real name?

Originally Posted by REFVA

So I don't have my real name, If I told you I was Bennie Adams, would you believe me, probably not. You woukld ask yourself, why would Bennie be here on this thread, no I'm not Bennie Adams. SO I put my username as "REFVA" that tells you what state I live in. As the one comment that made a whole lot of sense was " you are judge by your performance on the court". We all do. This thread enables all of us whether experienced or not to be able to voice their commenst and be able to learn something in the process. Who care's what my real names is If you want to know send me a private message and I'll tell you.


My IMO...

I think you have missed the point. This is not about you or me and what we have done in our officiating lives. The bottom line is the general officiating public do not work with, go to camps with or are trained by those that come to this board. Just about all the officials I have the utmost respect and have worked with have never once come here and posted a single thread on this or any internet site. It is not there thing to do and I have had them dismiss this site and others based on "You do not know who you are talking to."

I would love to think that I have a vast influence on those that read this board and everything I say has a huge significance on what people do when they officiating. The reality is I am some guy from Illinois that most will never meet or come in direct contact with. Until others see me work or deal with me directly in officiating, what I say and what others say is only going to go so far. It is obvious you hang on the word of everyone that posts here, I do not and most officials I know do not either. If that was the case they would come here instead of going to camps.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by REFVA

I felt compelled to post this, we need to honor these statements from the NFHS website as code of ethics for officials. JR, Maybe you are an NCAA official, but I believe that they have something similar

Officials shall work with each other and their state associations in a constructive and cooperative manner.

Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interaction with student-athletes, coaches, athletic directors, school administrators, colleagues, and the public.

I feel that we don't do enough of that. especially what's in bold..

An internet interaction is not the same interaction that we have with people directly. There is a reason “real” people speak directly to a real doctor (who they can verify there education and license) for medical advice or diagnosis instead of talking to a doctor on they only talk to on the internet. It is also honorable to tell the truth about the reality of a situation (you have not been able to deny what I am saying is true, you just take issue with what I said and the way I said it). Just because you say you are an official, does not make you an official in real life. You are taking these codes of ethics out of context and applying them to something that is not related. Also I do not have to in any profession agree with or take advice from someone just because they are in they hold the same profession that I do. Because you want to listen to any Tom, Dick or Harry that tells you something here, does not mean I have to buy those point of views to follow some “code of ethics.”

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by REFVA

I felt compelled to post this, we need to honor these statements from the NFHS website as code of ethics for officials. JR, Maybe you are an NCAA official, but I believe that they have something similar

Officials shall work with each other and their state associations in a constructive and cooperative manner.

Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interaction with student-athletes, coaches, athletic directors, school administrators, colleagues, and the public.

I feel that we don't do enough of that. especially what's in bold..

Hey REFVA, some advice for you...let this one go. The person you are trying to convince will NEVER admit he is wrong about anything, or that he said something wrong, or that he argues in circles, or that he changes his arguments on a regular basis, etc., etc...most of us who have been around this discussion board wish he would follow the example of "most officials in his area" - if you get my meaning...

[REFVA]

Hey REFVA, some advice for you...let this one go.

Advice taken! Sorry for diverting the post in a different direction from the OP.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

of "most officials in his area" - if you get my meaning...

Your post is the very reason I do not listen to a word you say. Also you have no credibility with me or anyone I work basketball games with or in any aspect of officiating.

Peace

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by REFVA

Advice taken! Sorry for diverting the post in a different direction from the OP.

You'll learn that there are some pretty cool posters on this board with some pretty impressive credentials. Amazingly, they also manage to be civil and not constantly get into flame wars. Kind of like being able to ref a good game and be a good communicator and a good partner too. Others just don't get it.

Rockyroad wouldn't come out and say it, but he has some pretty impressive credentials and is also an elite ref in our state at the HS level.

Z

[Texas Aggie]

Ask them to select the color of the cover page of the rule book for that year. Even if this selection were to mean absolutely nothing (i.e., ANY selection would go through), some may just say,, "screw it" and not register.

[REFVA]

Thanks ZebraMan,

My expereince has always been very good on this thread.
We all have difference of opinion, that's what makes this game tick. We learn from experience good or bad..