Rule Changes for Next Season

[Snake~eyes]

Okay.. who the hell gave JMO the link to these boards?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

Okay.. who the hell gave JMO the link to these boards?

Thre would've been a lot of typos.....

[tomegun]

Reading about this guy/girl from the other post I would come up with one of two options:

1. He/she had a powerful person speaking on their behalf to make it to the D1 level. If this is the case I would say they neither deserver to be there or work on crews where they get protected. Someone has to be an idiot to give the ball to the wrong team to make a coach mad and a super moron to come on a forum and brag about it.
2. He/she isn't telling the truth and they aren't in D1.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with only wanted to do HS ball. The only problem I've witnessed is HS officials who don't aspire to get better. A lot of times that might involve a college camp.
There is a lot of BS in HS ball. Well, multiply that by 1,000,000 and that is what college ball is like. The easiest part of college ball is the 40 minutes between the lines. I could leave the rest of it alone in a heart beat. More and more it isn't about what you do on the floor, it is about who you know and other BS.
Another interesting thing I've noticed in the last couple of weeks is this seems to be more on the men's side than the women's side. I know a girl who went to a camp way out of her area and did very well. If she lived on the east coast she would be on the radar of every major conference; for her it was as simple as that. Don't get me wrong, she is very good, but I know she is not into politics and what she did would not happen - at least I don't think so - on the men's side. It hasn't just impacted me, I know many other refs who are deserving of at least a legitimate opportunity and they don't get it. I've heard guys told things like, "you should take up golf" and other things. End of rant - I have many stories I could tell.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Reading about this guy/girl from the other post I would come up with one of two options:

1. He/she had a powerful person speaking on their behalf to make it to the D1 level. If this is the case I would say they neither deserver to be there or work on crews where they get protected. Someone has to be an idiot to give the ball to the wrong team to make a coach mad and a super moron to come on a forum and brag about it.
2. He/she isn't telling the truth and they aren't in D1.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with only wanted to do HS ball. The only problem I've witnessed is HS officials who don't aspire to get better. A lot of times that might involve a college camp.
There is a lot of BS in HS ball. Well, multiply that by 1,000,000 and that is what college ball is like. The easiest part of college ball is the 40 minutes between the lines. I could leave the rest of it alone in a heart beat. More and more it isn't about what you do on the floor, it is about who you know and other BS.
Another interesting thing I've noticed in the last couple of weeks is this seems to be more on the men's side than the women's side. I know a girl who went to a camp way out of her area and did very well. If she lived on the east coast she would be on the radar of every major conference; for her it was as simple as that. Don't get me wrong, she is very good, but I know she is not into politics and what she did would not happen - at least I don't think so - on the men's side. It hasn't just impacted me, I know many other refs who are deserving of at least a legitimate opportunity and they don't get it. I've heard guys told things like, "you should take up golf" and other things. End of rant - I have many stories I could tell.

I hate to beat this dead horse into the ground, but if a person just want to do HS ball, good for them. Whatever level you are at, do the best at that level. Most people dont have the jobs, nor the time to do college ball or NBA if the opportunity comes about. So knocking someone for only wanting to do HS is very wrong.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Most people dont have the jobs, nor the time to do college ball or NBA if the opportunity comes about. So knocking someone for only wanting to do HS is very wrong.

I think this is a not completely true. Working college ball does not take a special type of job or commitment in many cases. This varies from one area to another greatly, but most college games start at the same time a HS game starts. If someone can go all weekend working a Men's League or JH games, they can work college ball at the same time as well. All college games are not 10 hours away and most assignors I know are not going to send people all over the place to work a single game. Now you might have to travel a little more, but I think people trying to act as if I spend more time working college games than I do working HS games is kind of an exaggeration. It really depends on where you live and the type of conference you work. I know many that are closer to college sites than they are working HS games.

Peace

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this is a not completely true. Working college ball does not take a special type of job or commitment in many cases. This varies from one area to another greatly, but most college games start at the same time a HS game starts. If someone can go all weekend working a Men's League or JH games, they can work college ball at the same time as well. All college games are not 10 hours away and most assignors I know are not going to send people all over the place to work a single game. Now you might have to travel a little more, but I think people trying to act as if I spend more time working college games than I do working HS games is kind of an exaggeration. It really depends on where you live and the type of conference you work. I know many that are closer to college sites than they are working HS games.

Peace

I understand that fully, but I think that other guy's comments were misguided.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this is a not completely true. Working college ball does not take a special type of job or commitment in many cases. This varies from one area to another greatly, but most college games start at the same time a HS game starts. If someone can go all weekend working a Men's League or JH games, they can work college ball at the same time as well. All college games are not 10 hours away and most assignors I know are not going to send people all over the place to work a single game. Now you might have to travel a little more, but I think people trying to act as if I spend more time working college games than I do working HS games is kind of an exaggeration. It really depends on where you live and the type of conference you work. I know many that are closer to college sites than they are working HS games.

Peace

JRut, it's a little different out here then it is in the Midwest. I have to drive 2 1/2 hours just to do my closest $75 JuCo game. One of my best friends who lives outside St. Louis can do his entire D2 schedule and a majority of his MVC/Horizon schedule in a 3 1/2 hour driving radius. There are 4 D1 schools within 30 minutes of my office but all the small colleges out here are spread all over the Virginia and North Carolina countryside. My friends who made the climb to D1 put in a lot of road time operating in the red while traveling to Florida, SC, NC, and all over Virginia to work $125 games.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

I hate to beat this dead horse into the ground, but if a person just want to do HS ball, good for them. Whatever level you are at, do the best at that level. Most people dont have the jobs, nor the time to do college ball or NBA if the opportunity comes about. So knocking someone for only wanting to do HS is very wrong.

IREF,

I think we're missing Tome's point. He not criticizing HS officials who don't want to move up. He's criticizing HS officials who do nothing in the off-season to get better. HS officials who never study the rulebook. HS officials who never discuss plays and situations with other officials. HS officials who don't pay attention to anything said during the annual rules clinic. They just show up every year expecting to get full schedules then complain when they only get assigned JV games.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

IREF,

I think we're missing Tome's point. He not criticizing HS officials who don't want to move up. He's criticizing HS officials who do nothing in the off-season to get better. HS officials who never study the rulebook. HS officials who never discuss plays and situations with other officials. HS officials who don't pay attention to anything said during the annual rules clinic. They just show up every year expecting to get full schedules then complain when they only get assigned JV games.

Hit me up off-line and I can give you plenty of examples from our local board.

Give me a call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

IREF,

I think we're missing Tome's point. He not criticizing HS officials who don't want to move up. He's criticizing HS officials who do nothing in the off-season to get better. HS officials who never study the rulebook. HS officials who never discuss plays and situations with other officials. HS officials who don't pay attention to anything said during the annual rules clinic. They just show up every year expecting to get full schedules then complain when they only get assigned JV games.

I have to agree with this statement. Most college guys go to multiple camps during the spring or summer. I know a lot of very accomplished HS officials that only go when it is required. In my state to keep your IHSA license you have to attend every three years. I go to 5 or 6 camps every summer, even if it is the same camps every year. I know a lot of HS officials who only go to a camp every three years and only to keep their license. Then they will complain they had to pay money to do something that will make them better. At least in my experience this is the case.

Peace

[tomegun]

My comments were not intended to put down someone who has no aspirations for doing college ball; I think I made it a point to highlight some of the BS that goes along with college ball.
If camp would be considered the summer season and/or practice, many officials that only want to do HS ball need to "play up" during the summer. As pointed out previously, many officials only attend camp when they are required and then they only go to their local camp. Going to a camp that might have better ball and/or instruction will only help. Isn't it only fair to be as prepared as possible when doing a HS game?
Along with college aspirations comes rules knowledge, game awareness, repitition, physical fitness (awareness of the necessity) and other things. Shouldn't those same things be put into an officials preparation for HS games.
I will speak from my own experience and I will tell you, if you have kids in the area where I work...good luck. Some of the officials aren't worth the whistle in their mouth. Their main concern is getting the big game, which they aren't ready for many times, and getting paid. The pursuit of the perfect game - which will probably never happen - should be a driving force for us all. Doesn't the saying go something like, "Shoot for the moon and at least you will be among the stars?"