NFHS Player leaving bench area

[26 Year Gap]

I am guessing that since asst coaches are not allowed to stand [except for the exceptions], that the players who are deemed bench personnel fall into the same category.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by deecee

why are they concerend about bench players leaving their bench to get a drink? what concern is that of ours? that to me is the coaches problem and not the officials -- if there is a good reason then let me hear it.

Well, as 26 Year said, it's supposed to be an automatic technical if bench personnel are on their feet, let alone going for a tour. If you allow one to do it, then you gotta allow all of them to do it too. I really can't see the logic in letting 6 or 7 kids from the bench go over and chat up the other team's cheerleaders. Other than that, coaches are supposed to be responsible at all times for their bench personnel if something does happen. And if something ever does happen to a team member that the coach and the officials have allowed to wander, well then both our butts are gonna be in deep doodoo. There's enough crowd control problems around now without our having to worry about players getting up close and personal with the crowd also.

It's not really the idea of just going for a quick drink. It's a matter of the FED wanting to make sure that bench personnel are being properly supervised at all times during a game. And if you don't even know where a kid is, your sureasheck can't say that they're being supervised or under some kind of control.

That's my understanding of the logic behind the POE and the rule restricting a team to their bench.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

YES! She should have gone to the opposing bench before she was replaced. But she didn't. So you ignore it and move on. You don't call a T in such a situation and draw attention to yourself.


So let me get this straight. A DQed player puts me into a position to make a proper call and I should ignore it because it does not pass the common sense test.


This is exactly the type of thinking that will keep you working middle school and JV games.

It is good to know according to you, I am worthy of working some level of basketball. Thanks for the compliment.


Truerookie, don't be a plumber.

Someone have to keep the pipelines clean.

This is another classic example of if you do not agree with me you are "NOT" worthy of being an official.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

This is another classic example of if you do not agree with me you are "NOT" worthy of being an official.

Nope, it's just somebody telling you that you've still got a lot to learn. Z and BktBallRef have been selected to go to State Championships for a reason, Rook. Might not be a bad idea to think about what they're trying to tell you.

Or not......

Your choice.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Someone have to keep the pipelines clean.

No, a plumber is someone who goes looking for $hit.

This is another classic example of if you do not agree with me you are "NOT" worthy of being an official.

No, this is another classic example of a rookie who can't learn anything from anyone else. You need not worry about me disagreeing with you again. I don't waste my time with anyone who isn't interested in improving.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Someone have to keep the pipelines clean.

This is another classic example of if you do not agree with me you are "NOT" worthy of being an official.

Hey, BBR called me a plumber a couple of years ago. Get over it. Sometimes you have to look at game management. If you make a call like that it will magnify any call you may have passed on but shouldn't have earlier in the game.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Hey, BBR called me a plumber a couple of years ago. Get over it. Sometimes you have to look at game management. If you make a call like that it will magnify any call you may have passed on but shouldn't have earlier in the game.

Nope, I said don't be a plumber.

[26 Year Gap]

At least you're consistent!

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

No, a plumber is someone who goes looking for $hit.



No, this is another classic example of a FKIA rookie who can't learn anything from anyone else. You need not worry about me disagreeing with you again. I don't waste my time with anyone who isn't interested in improving.

BBR, this is why I love being an American. You do not know if I learn anything or not. Who is you to judge if I am interested in improving on anything Mister. I was just disagreeing with you allowing a player to leave the confines of her team bench after being DQed to display "Sportsmanship" because, she did not do it during the time period allowed for the coach to replace her. Would it be safe to say that during the replace period the DQed player was standing in the huddle with the coach while he/she decides, who to put in the game to replace her.

These are the variables, I observed are missing from your scenario. The actions which occurred during the replace period.
IMO, you did not support your partner who wanted to make the correct call.

You do not have to agree with that Mister. Please do not waste your time replying to anything you feel will expose your shortcomings in that situation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Or not......

Too bad.

[ChuckElias]

By then, maybe he'll get the middle school championship game.

[truerookie]

Chuck, BBR, JR. I truly understand what the group think concept is all about. You all are prime examples. Once again, thanks for living up to your insults on others who do not see things like you what them too.

[ChuckElias]

Hey Rook, I don't know you, your skill level, or anything about you. I'm just making a joke. You don't like it, skip it. Relax, listen to what people are trying to tell you, and then decide if they might have a point.

[cmathews]

truerookie,
you came in looking to improve, or at least that is what you said in your original post in this thread. With that in mind you should open up and listen to what people have to say. Mechanics and rules knowledge are very important, but what really begins to separate officials is game management. Game management is knowing when to follow the letter of the law and when to look for the intent. Sportsmanship is always a POE for the NFHS, anytime we can allow a player to exhibit good sportsmanship it should be allowed. Not to mention the fact that making a call like you are suggesting here will lead to many more problems with the game and anytime you would run into those teams in the future. Yes I am aware that you didn't make the call you are just commenting. Not that BBR, Chuck or JR need me to come to their aid, but.....I have disagreed at one time or another with each one of them, I have on many more occasions agreed with each of them, and the vast majority of the times that I originally disagree with any of them, I usually come around in due time...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Chuck, BBR, JR. I truly understand what the group think concept is all about. You all are prime examples. Once again, thanks for living up to your insults on others who do not see things like you what them too.

Naw, I didn't insult you at all, Rook. If I hadda, you woulda known it, believe me.

I said it was completely up to you whether you follow anybody's advice on this forum or listen to anybody either. Obviously, you don't like or agree with the any of the counsel that you've been given. That's cool; I could care less. Do what you want to do and ignore who you want to ignore. Who cares? It's just a waste of both of our time anyway, isn't it?

Have a great career.