LSU/Stanford charge (Women's)

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A general rule of thumb? It is? Never heard that one before. Oh well, guess that's why I'm not a D1 guy. I have to wonder where people come up with some of this stuff. There is more than one way to play defense. 1. stay with the shooter/ don't allow that player to receive the ball or try to block the shot 2. step in and take a charge from the dribbler/passer.
Both are legitimate but different methods of playing defense. Why is it suddenly up to the official to decide which tactic the team has to use?





This one is even worse. In fact, it is such garbage that I am eagerly waiting for JR to show up and see it. I'm going to go make my popcorn now. He'll probably tell you to quit officiating and go coach. Actually, I'll tell you that myself. Ignoring fouls late in the game is not "letting the players decide the outcome." It's failing to do your job properly and screwing the offended team.

I appreciate your respect of my opinion, very classy individual you are. Your "my crap dont stink attitude" is very pleasant. Ignoring fouls late in the game is not what I said...it's what you say to make your argument stronger. I said that in late game situations that players should be allowed to decide games. It goes back about 5 weeks ago to the Sheldon Williams no call at the end of the FSU game. I thought it was a foul. There was obvious body contact, but the official chose to pass on it. Why? Situation, last 5 sec. of the game. I guess your going to call the slightly displacing hand check with 3 sec. to go in the NCAA Regional semis too huh? Get real. Augustus was leaning away from the contact (already in flop mode), not to mention the fact that the ball was already gone. This is one IMO (note to jackass MY OPINION) that could/should have been passed on.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

I said that in late game situations that players should be allowed to decide games. It goes back about 5 weeks ago to the Sheldon Williams no call at the end of the FSU game. I thought it was a foul. There was obvious body contact, but the official chose to pass on it. Why? Situation, last 5 sec. of the game. I guess your going to call the slightly displacing hand check with 3 sec. to go in the NCAA Regional semis too huh? Get real. Augustus was leaning away from the contact (already in flop mode), not to mention the fact that the ball was already gone. This is one IMO (note to jackass MY OPINION) that could/should have been passed on.

Now my opinion......

You're wrong and I disagree completely with your philosophy.

You should call something in the last 5 seconds of a game the same way that you called it in the first 39 minutes and 55 seconds. Iow, if it's a foul all game, then it's a foul at the end. To call it any other way is ridiculous imo. And you're not letting the players decide the game either; you're deciding the game by not calling a foul if one occurs. Jmo, but most officials who use that "let the players decide the game" argument are officials who lack the testicular fortitude to make the tough call at the end of a game and use that argument as a cop-out.

As for the Augustus call, I didn't see it so I can't really comment. I will say that "leaning away" from the contact does not constitute an automatic no-call or a "flop". A defender is allowed to protect themselves....and that protection includes leaning away to lessen contact. A "flop" is faking a foul with little or no contact. If a defender with LGP leans away from the contact and still gets run over, that's a legitimate charge.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Now my opinion......

You're wrong and I disagree completely with your philosophy.

You should call something in the last 5 seconds of a game the same way that you called it in the first 39 minutes and 55 seconds. Iow, if it's a foul all game, then it's a foul at the end. To call it any other way is ridiculous imo. And you're not letting the players decide the game either; you're deciding the game by not calling a foul if one occurs. Jmo, but most officials who use that "let the players decide the game" argument are officials who lack the testicular fortitude to make the tough call at the end of a game and use that argument as a cop-out.

As for the Augustus call, I didn't see it so I can't really comment. I will say that "leaning away" from the contact does not constitute an automatic no-call or a "flop". A defender is allowed to protect themselves....and that protection includes leaning away to lessen contact. A "flop" is faking a foul with little or no contact. If a defender with LGP leans away from the contact and still gets run over, that's a legitimate charge.

Again that is completely your OPINION. As for the testicular fortitude comment, you know where you can cram that. We are speaking of and to the LSU game, so if you didnt see the play or call then why open your big mouth? The L who was standing right in front of the play obiously saw the play the same way I saw it.....some contact, a little acting, and a pass that had already been made making it an away from the ball foul. The L, who's call it was, chose to pass. However, my take on you, I guess, along with the official who made the call is that you like the spotlight. You like to tweet on your whistle and make the "game changing call." Some officials like the limelight, others see more (ie. magnitude of the game, situation, severity). If Wiggins had been going to the basket in an attempt to score then yes, I could live with a charge being called at that point in a game of that magnitude. However, the ball was already in the hands of the shooter, when the contact occurred and the whistle blew. That call allowed LSU to advance. The Rutgers shooter continued with the shot and knocked it down. Please dont comment on things you havent seen. And further you too are generalizing my statement. My statement was that players should be allowed to decide games, not that it's no holds barred, anything goes in the last few sec. of a game.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

As for the testicular fortitude comment, you know where you can cram that.

We are speaking of and to the LSU game, so if you didnt see the play or call then why open your big mouth?

However, my take on you, I guess, along with the official who made the call is that you like the spotlight. You like to tweet on your whistle and make the "game changing call."

OK, how about this then, seeing as I deliberately tried to stay away from name-calling in my first post?

You're a clueless jerk that doesn't know one damn thing about officiating. You also got no balls if you're afraid to blow your whistle at the end of a game.

That's my take on you.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

OK, how about this then, seeing as I deliberately tried to stay away from name-calling in my first post?

You're a clueless jerk that doesn't know one damn thing about officiating. You also got no balls if you're afraid to blow your whistle at the end of a game.

That's my take on you.

Thats cute!! You tried to stay away from name calling??? LOL. Thats funny. Your idea of staying away from name calling is telling people that choose not to make a call in a certain situation that they have no testicular fortitude. Thats funny. I guess the L in the Regional Semis of the NCAA tourny has none then, buy you do.

I respect your opinion on the matter. It's obvious that by throwing around words like testicular fortitude or lack thereof that you dont respect mine. This entire post was addressing a particular call in a particular game, which you never saw. So explain why you feel the need to interject your opinion as being correct and those opposing have NO BALLS, when you have no F'in idea what we are talking about????

As for my take on YOU. You are the guy who loves the limelight. Your the one dictating the game with YOUR whistle. If there is a controversial call, YOUR the guy to make it. YOUR the guy that both coaches dislike and the fans are always yelling at. WHY?? B/c you love the attention. It's much needed b/c you sucked when you played and never received any. It's your CHANCE TO BE SEEN AND HEARD!! It's cool there are more like YOU.

[tomegun]

I have to stop ignoring threads because of their title! I have heard officials say "make sure any foul is a obvious one" at the end of games. I have heard other things as well. I saw this play one time and it was something that I think needed a whistle.
So, two elite 8 officials made decisions; one decided to put air in the whistle and one decided not to. What makes you think you are right because you would do the same thing the L did? Also, yes the L in the regional might not have any balls. As soon as we realize a NCAA official isn't God we will be able to look at the games more objectively and learn.
When you talk about officials that want the limelight you are showing signs of an official who would shy away from tough calls. That isn't something you can determine by your comeback post, that is something you have to look within to discover. Sometimes the game needs a jerk in black and white (with raised hand), "I can do that!" Are you safe or are you willing to go to the edge? An official can work 127 NCAA games and still be safe! (couldn't resist that one).

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I have to stop ignoring threads because of their title! I have heard officials say "make sure any foul is a obvious one" at the end of games. I have heard other things as well. I saw this play one time and it was something that I think needed a whistle.
So, two elite 8 officials made decisions; one decided to put air in the whistle and one decided not to. What makes you think you are right because you would do the same thing the L did? Also, yes the L in the regional might not have any balls. As soon as we realize a NCAA official isn't God we will be able to look at the games more objectively and learn.
When you talk about officials that want the limelight you are showing signs of an official who would shy away from tough calls. That isn't something you can determine by your comeback post, that is something you have to look within to discover. Sometimes the game needs a jerk in black and white (with raised hand), "I can do that!" Are you safe or are you willing to go to the edge? An official can work 127 NCAA games and still be safe! (couldn't resist that one).

I am assuming this post is for me. However, I'm not sure why. I 2 days ago that I thought (just MO) it was a bad call. I in no way said that I was correct. It was MO. Today, JR decided and you can see for your self exactly what he said, that my post was stupid and that it was completely wrong. Decisions just like the one made in the LSU vs. Rutgers game are made all over the country everday on things like over the back, hand checking, etc... Some officials chose to make the call and others chose to pass. Does it mean that they have "no balls." No it means that they didnt think it deserved a call.

There is a big difference between an official who likes to see his name in lights and an official affraid to make a call. The L in game we were talking about was 2 feet from the contact and chose to pass, I pressume b/c of the location of the ball at the time of contact, the situation of the game, and the overexcentuation of the charge by Augustus. The other official however saw it differently and (it was a woman, so she didnt have balls, for all you BALLS fans) made the call. Was it right or wrong?? In her eyes, it had to be made. In the L's eyes it was a no call, and I agree. Two NCAA tourny officials not agreeing on a call, imagine that. What I can assure you is that the official making the call didnt go to the locker room and tell the other that he had "no balls," unlike JR is telling me. GROW UP, I wasnt claiming nor did I ever that I was correct. I simply stated my opinion. And JR decided to start the name calling by telling me how stupid my opinion was and that I was completely wrong.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

OK, how about this then, seeing as I deliberately tried to stay away from name-calling in my first post?

You're a clueless jerk that doesn't know one damn thing about officiating. You also got no balls if you're afraid to blow your whistle at the end of a game.

That's my take on you.

U da Man, JR!!! I knew I could count on you to put this pipsqueak in his place.

He still doesn't get it though. He thinks that we are on his case because he doesn't think that was a PC foul. If that is the way he feels when seeing the play, that's just fine with me. The problem is his REASON for believing that. His reason is total garbage and if he really uses that kind of justification for his officiating decisions then he has no business being a basketball official.

And Nate, whether JR saw the play or not, he can still comment on the reasoning that you posted. It is pretty clear what he thinks of that.

Lastly, you chastise JR for not seeing the play, but posting in this thread,

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

Please dont comment on things you havent seen.

but you who saw the play and know everything about it can't even get the two teams who were involved correct. You have repeatedly posted Rutgers.

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

Decisions just like the one made in the LSU vs. Rutgers game...

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

The Rutgers shooter continued with the shot and knocked it down. Please dont comment on things you havent seen.

Funny, I don't recall seeing Rutgers play LSU in the tourney this year, and neither do you! Get it right! STANFORD was LSU's opponent in the game under discussion. Rutgers lost to Tennessee in Cleveland. Or you could follow your own advice and not comment on things you haven't seen.

PS You need some grammar lessons. The spell check can't cover for you there.

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

Your the one dictating the game with YOUR whistle. If there is a controversial call, YOUR the guy to make it. YOUR the guy that both coaches dislike and the fans are always yelling at.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

U da Man, JR!!! I knew I could count on you to put this pipsqueak in his place.

He still doesn't get it though. He thinks that we are on his case because he doesn't think that was a PC foul. If that is the way he feels when seeing the play, that's just fine with me. The problem is his REASON for believing that. His reason is total garbage and if he really uses that kind of justification for his officiating decisions then he has no business being a basketball official.

And Nate, whether JR saw the play or not, he can still comment on the reasoning that you posted. It is pretty clear what he thinks of that.

Lastly, you chastise JR for not seeing the play, but posting in this thread,


but you who saw the play and know everything about it can't even get the two teams who were involved correct. You have repeatedly posted Rutgers.






Funny, I don't recall seeing Rutgers play LSU in the tourney this year, and neither do you! Get it right! STANFORD was LSU's opponent in the game under discussion. Rutgers lost to Tennessee in Cleveland. Or you could follow your own advice and not comment on things you haven't seen.

PS You need some grammar lessons. The spell check can't cover for you there.

Glad to see that your still being an @ss, knew we could count on you for that. It's funny that two NCAA final four officials saw the play differently but b/c I think it was a bad call and you don't you want to bash. It's fine, it shows how childish you are. I felt that it was a no call, you feel differently. Sorry for the Rutgers bit, it was Stanford..oops. As for your grammar lesson that you would like to give me...I'll be sure to include ' in all my words from now on:: we're, they're, you're ...just for you. The fact that I'M an English teacher must mean I need a grammar lesson. You just keep coming with insults. IT'S obvious that you are a closed minded, NUMBNUT, but IT'S okay. I'M sure you really really CAN'T help that now can you. As far as you telling me that I that I DON'T need to be an official, well you where you can shove that. I'M sure YOU think YOU'RE much better. As too, I'M sure you think YOU'RE better than the L who passed on the call.

Maybe I didnt exactly chose the best wording by saying: "allow players to decide games," but you obviously put your own twist on to fit your argument. What was meant by that (which was all involving the call made in the STANFORD/Lsu game) is that the ball was gone from Wiggins hand, Augustus was leaning (backward away from the contact), and at that point I feel that the call could/should have been passed on. LSU was the favorite. Augustus is all world and everyone wants to see the LSU/Duke/UNC final four and well they will now.