LSU/Stanford charge (Women's)

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Lastly, this was in an NCAA womens' game and I know that NCAAW floor coverage is different and that could have mattered on this play as the Lead is responsible for that 3pt shooter in the corner. I don't care for this, but that is the way they do it.

Nevadaref, I agree with everything you spoke of except, the lead primary coverage ends inside the 3pt line. It will be very rare for the lead to give a 3pt attempt signal if at all.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Nevadaref, I agree with everything you spoke of except, the lead primary coverage ends inside the 3pt line. It will be very rare for the lead to give a 3pt attempt signal if at all.

Rook, re-read Nevada's statement. He's referring to NCAA Women's coverage. The women do indeed make the Lead responsible for the 3-point area below the FT line extended.

[Nate1224hoops]

I TIVO'ed the game and watched the play over and over. I feel that in that situation in the game (less than 5 seconds) you have to let the players decided the game. I saw Augustus falling back before contact was ever made. She obviously excentuated the contact. The lead never made an effort to make the call and the play was less than 3 feet away. Also the ball was already out of Wiggins hands before contact occurred. IMO you gotta pass on that one and let players decided the game. Certain calls have to be made at the end of a game, but I feel that this call was kicked.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

I saw Augustus falling back before contact was ever made. She obviously excentuated the contact. The lead never made an effort to make the call and the play was less than 3 feet away.

Originally Posted by icallfouls

JMO, but I thought it would have been a better no call.

I agree that a "no call" may have been best in this situation. In the replay you see the Lead looking dead on the play and he chose to pass.

I think this play goes directly back to the block/charge/(traveling) video thread (and Nevada's post in this thread) where I brought up the subject of primary and secondary defenders. The Lead is in perfect position to referee the defense as it applies to the secondary defender (B2). The Trail had a lot on her plate already with a very athletic A1 penetrating against tight defense from B1.

[pizanno]

Lead goes with the ball. Trail picks up the crash. No?

Let's see if that official moves on. I bet she does. Gutsy call. If she passes, then LSU has the gripe.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by pizanno

Lead goes with the ball. Trail picks up the crash. No?

Let's see if that official moves on. I bet she does. Gutsy call. If she passes, then LSU has the gripe.

She may move on. The parts of the game I saw were officiated very well. And in realtime that play appears to be a charge from her vantage point. My debate on this call is whether or not the Trail had the best view of the secondary defender. In the replay the Lead is staring directly at the defender in question (Ausgustus) but doesn't have a whistle.

Had the Trail decided to pass on the call she would not have been hurt by the replay. Replay clearly shows Augustus flinging her pelvis into Wiggins and then flopping to the floor.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Nevadaref, I agree with everything you spoke of except, the lead primary coverage ends inside the 3pt line. It will be very rare for the lead to give a 3pt attempt signal if at all.

Rare? In an NCAAW game? Lead's primary in NCAAW goes all the way to the corner.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Rare? In an NCAAW game? Lead's primary in NCAAW goes all the way to the corner.

I have to disagree with you on this one. The lead's primary ends inside the arc. The arc can be the lead's secondary. If it goes all the way into the corner you have just shorten the Trail's responsibility strong side.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I have to disagree with you on this one. The lead's primary ends inside the arc. The arc can be the lead's secondary. If it goes all the way into the corner you have just shorten the Trail's responsibility strong side.

Ok, here's my second attempt. Rook, Nevada and Rich are talking about NCAA Women's mechanics. And they are correct!! In NCAAW, the Lead is responsible for everything below the FT line out to the sideline on his/her side of the court. You are not correct on this. Please listen to Rich and Nevada. They know what they're talking about. Honest.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Ok, here's my second attempt. Rook, Nevada and Rich are talking about NCAA Women's mechanics. And they are correct!! In NCAAW, the Lead is responsible for everything below the FT line out to the sideline on his/her side of the court. You are not correct on this. Please listen to Rich and Nevada. They know what they're talking about. Honest.

Chuck,
I am not trying to be correct on anything. I can visualize the lead taking this responsibility in 2 person. However, I cannot visualize this 3 person.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Chuck,
I am not trying to be correct on anything. I can visualize the lead taking this responsibility in 2 person. However, I cannot visualize this 3 person.

Well, I can't help you visualize it. I can only assure that it's what they do.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Well, I can't help you visualize it. I can only assure that it's what they do.

And as someone who earns my extra spending money doing NCAA Women's games, I can assure you that Chuck, Nevada, and Rich are correct. NCAA Women's mechanics, the L has a rectangular area of the court that extends half-way across the key, up to the free throw line, across to the SIDELINE...so a 3 pt. attempt from the corner is the L's primary and he/she signals the 3 pt. attempt!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Ok, here's my second attempt. Rook, Nevada and Rich are talking about NCAA Women's mechanics. And they are correct!! In NCAAW, the Lead is responsible for everything below the FT line out to the sideline on his/her side of the court. You are not correct on this. Please listen to Rich and Nevada. They know what they're talking about. Honest.

Thanks for the effort, Chuck. He just doesn't seem to be willing or able to grasp that the NCAA women's officials chop up the court differently. Why don't they handle this in the same manner as the men--who knows? Perhaps it's NBA or WNBA influence. But the fact is that it is NOT the same and truerookie will just have to accept that. When he does, he will have learned something new.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Thanks for the effort, Chuck. He just doesn't seem to be willing or able to grasp that the NCAA women's officials chop up the court differently. Why don't they handle this in the same manner as the men--who knows? Perhaps it's NBA or WNBA influence. But the fact is that it is NOT the same and truerookie will just have to accept that. When he does, he will have learned something new.

Nevada,
I have to agree with you, I have learned something new and I will continue to seek growth. I am not influenced by the NBA or WNBA. I am work hard to differentiate between the different levels. I will admit I was wrong and I accept that. I even went, as far as to look for the proper break down of the Women's game, I found it. I know the difference now. I know some on this forum may get frustrated with individuals, who does not grasp what they are saying. I am a visual learned, I have to see it, as well as, be told it. Thanks for being patience and positive with your response!!!!.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Nevada,
I have to agree with you, I have learned something new and I will continue to seek growth. I am not influenced by the NBA or WNBA.

LOL. I'm not sure why, rook, but you and Nevada are simply on different wavelengths. Nevada wasn't saying that you are influenced by the NBA/WNBA. He's saying that the NCAA Women's mechanics are influenced by the NBA/WNBA. LOL. One of these days, you'll both speak the same language.