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NCAA - 25 20 47.62%
NCAA - 24 22 52.38%
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Old Fri Mar 24, 2006, 01:17pm
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i was going to say the same thing....if you notice the shot clock when it is reset, it doesn't change for one second....if it changed from 35 to 34 in 1 tenth then you would say 10 seconds would be 24.99....... but since it doesn't change from 35 to 34 for a whole second you can tell that they run differently than the game clocks.....so the 10 or 8 seconds will be actual time shown....25 ncaa and 16 for nba... thanks m&m for the explanation..i agree totally
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Old Fri Mar 24, 2006, 01:31pm
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i was going to say the same thing....if you notice the shot clock when it is reset, it doesn't change for one second....if it changed from 35 to 34 in 1 tenth then you would say 10 seconds would be 24.99....... but since it doesn't change from 35 to 34 for a whole second you can tell that they run differently than the game clocks.....so the 10 or 8 seconds will be actual time shown....25 ncaa and 16 for nba... thanks m&m for the explanation..i agree totally
The NBA has different wording than the NCAA.

Under violations the NCAA says something like, "...10 consecutive seconds..." and the NBA says, "...more than 8 seconds..." IMO, that means the NBA violation would read, "...9 consecutive seconds..." if written the same as the NCAA. What do you guys think?
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Old Fri Mar 24, 2006, 01:55pm
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Just because I'm feelin' picky today, but:

"More than 8 seconds" is not the same thing as "9 consecutive seconds". More than 8 means 8.1 seconds. And, 9 is greater than 8.1, by almost a full second.

I don't follow enough of the NBA rules, but are there other instances where they use this type of language? Granted, in reality, it's probably the same thing. But I'm just wondering why they chose that specific wording.

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Just because I'm feelin' picky today, but:

"More than 8 seconds" is not the same thing as "9 consecutive seconds". More than 8 means 8.1 seconds. And, 9 is greater than 8.1, by almost a full second.
Well, more than 8 actually comes a heck of a lot sooner than 8.1. But the timer they use does not recognize that anything between 8 & 9 exists, it justs recognizes 8 seconds and then jumps all the way to 9 seconds.
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Old Fri Mar 24, 2006, 02:16pm
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Just because I'm feelin' picky today, but:

"More than 8 seconds" is not the same thing as "9 consecutive seconds". More than 8 means 8.1 seconds. And, 9 is greater than 8.1, by almost a full second.
So I guess it would be, "...8.1 consecutive seconds..." OR "...8.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000001 consecutive seconds..."

Now that clears up any possible misunderstanding!
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Old Fri Mar 24, 2006, 02:17pm
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I like the more with the new system. They are different aren't they?
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Old Fri Mar 24, 2006, 02:25pm
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So I guess it would be, "...8.1 consecutive seconds..." OR "...8.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000001 consecutive seconds..."

Now that clears up any possible misunderstanding!
I think it's 8.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000005 consecutive seconds myself...

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Old Tue Apr 04, 2006, 07:32am
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When is it 10 seconds (clock at 25 or 24)

Did we ever come up the definitive interpretion for the 10-second count? Thought I'd ask since it came up in NC game.
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Old Tue Apr 04, 2006, 10:11am
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The violation should occur when the clock says 25.

I think all shot clocks work the same: they remain on 35 until 1 second has elapsed...the horn buzzes as soon as it reads 0 (not 0.9999 seconds later).

When the clock shows 35, between 0 and 1 second has elapsed.
When it shows 34, between 1 and 2 seconds have elapsed.
Taking this down to 25, between 10 and 11 seconds have elapsed.

35 => 0 - 1
34 => 1 - 2
33 => 2 - 3
32 => 3 - 4
31 => 4 - 5
30 => 5 - 6
29 => 6 - 7
28 => 7 - 8
27 => 8 - 9
26 => 9 - 10
25 => 10 - 11
24 => 11 - 12

Therefore, if you wait until it says 24, you give them at least 11 seconds and, depending on your reaction time, up to 12 seconds.
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