KY Referee Squabble - Outta Control

house18 · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 24, 2006, 10:18am

Yes, the KBOA is one of many local associations. I have never been selected for the state tourney, but Vic has been several times (not sure how many). The coaches and assigning secretaries rate the officials and based off that rating, this determines how far you advance in the tournaments: district, region, and selection for the state.

I am not sure how the state refs are selected but sometimes, some regions do not get represented because of the mandated 3 black officials that must go to State.

From my understanding, this attorney is simply backing up what he was given to say. He was not there. Did the guy who removed Vic have the ability to do so? Of course the KHSAA will defend their actions...right or wrong. No one ever thinks that racial comments or taunts warrant any actions...especially those who never have racial taunts aimed at them.

Jurassic Referee · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 24, 2006, 12:00pm

[QUOTE=house18]
From my understanding, this attorney is simply backing up what he was given to say. He was not there. Did the guy who removed Vic have the ability to do so? Of course the KHSAA will defend their actions...right or wrong.

The only solid information on this to date seems only to be what has been printed in newspaper accounts, and you never know if even those are completely accurate. If the allegations are true, then action of some kind certainly has to be taken. Is there any kind of investigation under way that will throw some definitive light on what actually happened in the dressing room? Has Mr. Montgomery laid a complaint re: the racial aspect with the appropriate state agency for follow-up investigation? I would hope that the answer is "yes" on both accounts. The speculation and innuendo imo at this time is not doing anybody any good- including all officials in Ky. I think that the air really needs to be cleared on this one.

Btw, weren't both officials barred from doing further games in that Regional? Wasn't Mr. Bailey supposed to be on the final with Mr. Montgomery, and both officials were removed for their actions in public by whoever made that decision?

http://www.wlextv.com/global/story.asp?s=4625544

house18 · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 24, 2006, 12:52pm

I had not read that account from the Lexington, KY media. Pretty good reading. Seems to me that Darrell accepted it because he knew he was wrong...Just my opinion.

zebraman · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 24, 2006, 01:08pm

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Originally Posted by house18

I had not read that account from the Lexington, KY media. Pretty good reading. Seems to me that Darrell accepted it because he knew he was wrong...Just my opinion.

I agree that he accepted responsibility for his involvement in the embarrassing incident. When the incident is completely investigated, I hope that his punishment is appropriate. I also hope that the other official involved accepts some responsibility for being unprofessional rather than saying it was some kind of noble defense of his manhood.

Z

irefky · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 24, 2006, 01:45pm

I agree, both officials need to accept a punishment. No matter what was said, there was a reaction. We would treat it the same way in a sporting event, cause and reaction, both penalized.

A poster mentioned earlier what would this black official do if he was called a "boy" by a coach...

Well, what would an overweight official do if a coach called him a fat---?

I don't know either official, it is just embarrassing to me because I am an official in Kentucky. Believe, me when a coach called me a SOB several times a few years ago, I had a reaction, was it inappropriate, sure, but a human response. I hate that it happened, but it did....

Hope the KBOA officials can work through this because I am sure they will be issues next year. I just hope they can be mature and re-set their goals as men, community leaders.

In my association, we have only one black official, he's great, no problems, we all love him. KBOA is a much larger official association in Louisville that has more black officials, not sure how many. I just hate to see them split, segregate, that would just be a slap in the face of humanity.

Just remember, color is not blind, it is there, we all see it. It's the stupid things we think or say that make it stick out. God Bless

JRutledge · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 24, 2006, 02:03pm

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Originally Posted by irefky

A poster mentioned earlier what would this black official do if he was called a "boy" by a coach...

Well, what would an overweight official do if a coach called him a fat---?

I can change my weight. I cannot ever change my race or color. Not a very good comparison if you ask me. Also being fat does not come with the same history either. I realize you might be trying to come to some rationalization for this, but as you said you are not Black and knowing that you will not ever be Black makes it easy for you to take a position that you really do not understand. I am sure you mean well, but the analogy is very off.

Peace

irefky · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Mar 25, 2006, 08:54am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

I can change my weight. I cannot ever change my race or color. Not a very good comparison if you ask me. Also being fat does not come with the same history either. I realize you might be trying to come to some rationalization for this, but as you said you are not Black and knowing that you will not ever be Black makes it easy for you to take a position that you really do not understand. I am sure you mean well, but the analogy is very off.

Peace

Rut, that maybe true, but it still is a personal attack. Regardless, of what you may think, it still hurts. The history of slavery, I am in no means trying to compare it with ones' weight, just to compare with ones' personal feelings. Black versus weight is not the issue, nor do I want it to be black versus white, just a common attack upon ones' personal feelings. Please, understand and you do lure to it, but you are "very off" if you think otherwise.

However, knowing history, nor do I want to defend it in anyway, whites were also inslaved. You may have heard the term, "serfs." Anyhow, and I am sure everyone on this board does not want to get into some crappie history lesson, it was WRONG. Regardless of the skin color, it was morally wrong. And again, my comparison was not for validity, but simply ones' own personal feelings of being attacked.

I know an official who started this year, he's obese. He eventually turned his schedule in, why? He was doing a game and the fans began cheering, "dough boy, dough boy." I spoke to him shortly, and told him he could do two things, quit or work is *** off to drop the pounds. I really felt bad for this man, he was hurt. It was a personal attack. Just as Mr. Montgomery was attacked, personally.

[quote=irefky]In my association, we have only one black official, he's great, no problems, we all love him. (What is that suppose to mean he's great, no problems. ?) Is this because he does not go against the idealogy of the association?

Why do some of you want to turn comments around? No, to your question. This guy goes to the State Tournament because he's that damn good. There's no jealousy, as the folks from Louisville said was going on in their association. Each official in our association respects him for both an official and person. No problems, meant from the white officials toward him. It's not all about color, some may think it is. I simply was saying it has nothing to do with it in our group.

truerookie · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 24, 2006, 02:09pm

[QUOTE=irefky]In my association, we have only one black official, he's great, no problems, we all love him. (What is that suppose to mean he's great, no problems. ?) Is this because he does not go against the idealogy of the association?

JRutledge · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 24, 2006, 02:36pm

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Originally Posted by truerookie

In my association, we have only one black official, he's great, no problems, we all love him. (What is that suppose to mean he's great, no problems. ?) Is this because he does not go against the idealogy of the association?

Maybe he knows his place and leaves all the white people alone. If that is not what he meant, it sure sounded that way.

I am glad someone else pointed it out.

Peace

BktBallRef · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 24, 2006, 03:19pm

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Originally Posted by irefky

A poster mentioned earlier what would this black official do if he was called a "boy" by a coach...

Well, what would an overweight official do if a coach called him a fat---?

I've always been able to walk away from any verbiage. Coaches are usually more controlled but I think we've all heard plenty from fans. I hope, and I believe, that I'll always be able to walk away.

Bottom line, there's more to this situation that we've been told.

I'm done with it.

26 Year Gap · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 24, 2006, 06:26pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I've always been able to walk away from any verbiage. Coaches are usually more controlled but I think we've all heard plenty from fans. I hope, and I believe, that I'll always be able to walk away.

Bottom line, there's more to this situation that we've been told.

I'm done with it.

But not until your over/under was shot to heck.