NJ CYO FINALS EJECTION HELP

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by JugglingReferee
When A1 plays again, this is a Flagrant Technical Foul (by rule).

Not since 2002-03. In 2003-04 the rule was changed making this a direct technical foul charged to the head coach. It is not flagrant, and is in no way charged to the team member.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Not since 2002-03. In 2003-04 the rule was changed making this a direct technical foul charged to the head coach. It is not flagrant, and is in no way charged to the team member.

Yup, you're right. Fergot 'bout that one. As Nevada said, it's a T to the coach. (Which might DQ him. )

[stmaryrams]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
JR's exactly right. You have to take care of business out there and you didn't.

I have to advise you to get tough. All the unsporting behavior that you allowed IS truly unbelievable to me.

As for your stating that you wouldn't change anything... Well, if you don't begin doing so, you will not enjoy officiating in the future.

Lastly, never ever allow a player who has been DQ'd back into a contest!

I'm also on board with JR.

You have to remember that you are not "Taking the game" from his players and his team - HE IS!

If he wants to act like an idiot, he must suffer the penalty. IT is then HIS fault his team forfeits.

I had a similar not as bad sitch this year 5th grade CYO {what is it about us Catholics?} Both coaches griping throughout the game. The parents are now into the same act. I go to both coaches between quarter and tell them to get their parents and personnel behavior under control or face a "T".

One coach is a guy who I'd had before and gave him too much leash. The other gets my warning as I say, "I don't want to hear another word from your bench" 60 seconds later I T the assistant. Now the blabbermouth both shut up.

Lesson I learned - whent they deserve the "T", give it to them. It will save you trouble down the line.

[stmaryrams]

Originally posted by PAT THE REF
your welcome ...

I just hated it since it was the last game of the season and I didn't want to end it on a "bad" note...

Should I have taken (T'ed) the coach earlier - YES... I know that (I knew that) but, I just thought if I ignored it, I would have gotten better...

It's a problem I see since I get no respect (RIP Rodney) since IÂ’m the youngest official in my assc. (18)... I loved doing this when I was younger and decided to get carded because I wasnÂ’t getting any respectÂ… now this happens

Thanks for advice...

Your being young can also work against you in this sitch.

You might even need to give out the "T" earlier just to get their attention. If they don't learn after the first, shame on them and adios.

I mentored a high school student/official the past couple years and she has gotten that respect from giving a technical when necessary (Not just willy nilly) and being professional. She got carded at 16 and most coaches thought she was a college student my her demeanor.

As a side note, my middle son (15) is a licensed volleyball official. Much less problems with ejections in that sport.

[PAT THE REF]

Here in NJ you need to be 18 to be carded...

I know I should have "gotten" the coach but again I didn't want to be "THE REF WHO FORFITED THE 3rd PLACE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME..." this was my first year in the league and I plan to be with them for a while

Thanks again.

[Junker]

Originally posted by PAT THE REF
Here in NJ you need to be 18 to be carded...

I know I should have "gotten" the coach but again I didn't want to be "THE REF WHO FORFITED THE 3rd PLACE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME..." this was my first year in the league and I plan to be with them for a while

Thanks again.

I would not worry about this. The coach and fans can think what they want, but if you have to call a T, it's because of their actions and not yours. With experience comes more confidence in these situations. Like most have said, you probably should have gotten him earlier. It's pretty obvious how much emphasis he's putting on sportsmanship since you have players popping off from the bench. Don't let this idiot shake your confidence. Call your game, take care of him if you have to, but don't ever think you cost a team a game.

[PAT THE REF]

Thanks

[All_Heart]

Originally posted by PAT THE REF

A1 is playing and walking to the bench for a substitution… I’m across the court at the free throw line extended on the sideline ready to inbound the ball and A1 walks back onto the court and says “Ref, YOU SHOULD JUST DIE, I HOPE YOU DIE”… TWEET got him again… B shoots 2 – makes 1… then the debate is how the A coach says I can’t “T” his player since he’s not on the court… etc…

No one mentioned this but the coach should have received an indirect technical foul for A1's actions because A1 is now a bench player. This would have forced the coach to sit the rest of the game and that usually helps keep the coach under control.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by All_Heart

No one mentioned this but the coach should have received an indirect technical foul for A1's actions because A1 is now a bench player. This would have forced the coach to sit the rest of the game and that usually helps keep the coach under control.

Hmmm.... please explain.

IIRC, A1 was T'd for saying the ref sucks. A1 was later T'd for telling the ref to die. Now he is DQ'd.

Are you saying that a direct T to A1 and an indirect to the coach was warranted because of the "die" comment?

[All_Heart]

Originally posted by JugglingReferee

Hmmm.... please explain.

IIRC, A1 was T'd for saying the ref sucks. A1 was later T'd for telling the ref to die. Now he is DQ'd.

Are you saying that a direct T to A1 and an indirect to the coach was warranted because of the "die" comment?

No I was saying the coach should have an indirect because A1 became a bench player when his sub was beckoned in the game.
I'm assuming that a sub was beckoned on the court to replace A1 because A1 had left the court for a substitution.

Originally posted by PAT THE REF
A1 is playing and walking to the bench for a substitution. I'm across the court at the free throw line extended on the sideline ready to inbound the ball and A1 walks back onto the court and says "Ref, YOU SHOULD JUST DIE, I HOPE YOU DIE" TWEET got him again. B shoots 2 & makes 1. then the debate is how the A coach says I can't T his player since he's not on the court. etc.
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[Junker]

Does anyone consider, "Ref, you should just die" flagrant? I'd be tempted to toss a guy for this statement. Luckily I've never had to make that choice.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by Junker
Does anyone consider, "Ref, you should just die" flagrant? I'd be tempted to toss a guy for this statement. Luckily I've never had to make that choice.

Originally posted by JugglingReferee
A1's second comment is a Flagrant Technical Foul - and report it as such and write it up that way too.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by All_Heart
No I was saying the coach should have an indirect because A1 became a bench player when his sub was beckoned in the game.
I'm assuming that a sub was beckoned on the court to replace A1 because A1 had left the court for a substitution.

Originally posted by PAT THE REF
A1 is playing and walking to the bench for a substitution. I'm across the court at the free throw line extended on the sideline ready to inbound the ball and A1 walks back onto the court and says "Ref, YOU SHOULD JUST DIE, I HOPE YOU DIE" TWEET got him again. B shoots 2 & makes 1. then the debate is how the A coach says I can't T his player since he's not on the court. etc.
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Ok, good. Funny, I assumed there was no beckoning as it was not mentioned. But I do agree with your statement that once A3 is beckoned, A1 is BP, and is an indirect to the HC.

[26 Year Gap]

If your dog craps on the living room rug and you ignore it, will the smell go away? Will the sight of it make you any less angry with the dog? Or will you punish the dog and clean up the crap on the rug before unexpected company arrives? {And just for the fun of it--let's suppose your dog's name is DUKE.]

[bbcoach7]

and the really sad thing is there's far too many coaches just like him. Guys like this really shouldn't be coaching kids. I wouldn't let my kid play for him unless this example was something that only happened 1 time. I often wonder what these guys think they are teaching the kids who play for them when they behave past the line of respectability.

Basketball is a temporary thing (unless you coach or Ref), and a players career is brief. Personally, I don't even see the point in coaching youth, or HS age kids unless you use that perfect opportunity to teach the kids "life skills" along the way. This coach may be able to get talented kids to play well, but he's obviously completely whiffing at any attempt to teach his players about humility, and accepting responsibility, and losing with dignity.

I've only been coaching 5 years, but I've yet to see a call, or number of calls, cost us a game. Even when we lost, and I did believe there were "bad calls" I always tell my team, "we got beat by ______ ________, not by the Refs.

I was never so surprised at what people around me are capable of believing of others who they don't even know, until I started coaching and know what some coaches say about, and think about Refs.