Three man mechanics

[dhodges007]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mick

Originally posted by dhodges007

Denny, as of when did this become a mechanic? This year?
Below is last year's change.


List of major changes to be reflected in the
1999-2000/2000-2001 Basketball Officials Manual
The following items reflect the major changes to be reflected in the 1999-2000/2000-2001 Basketball Officials Manual:

5. When the designated spot throw-in is to be taken on the sideline, below the free throw line extended (ball remaining in the frontcourt), the Lead official may remain on the endline and bounce the ball to the thrower (two official crews only). (220)

mick

Mick, is that Women's mechanics?

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

Actually, the NF does allow for the lead to bounce the ball up the sideline for a throw-in below the FT line extended. It is not, however, required. It is left to the discretion of the officials based on the game. Also, if the call was on the trail's line, the trail would administer the throw-in. The purpose of this rules is to keep the trail/lead essentially performing a switch on an OOB sitution deep on the lead's line.

Not in 3 man Cameron, only in 2 man.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Kelvin green
now philosophy...

I like the idea of lead bouncing ball to someone (below FT Line).... My question my moving the player up the sideline does the person gain an advantage?

If someone has made a great/mediocre/marginal defensive play that forced the ball OOB and lets say it gets kicked out just a couple of feet from the baseline then by moving it up the sideline so that trail can get anywhere to administer now opens up the floor . The player can go left and right where as closer to the baseline the player is more handcuffed by the baseline. This may create an advantage, some what slight but there are coaches who would raise a serious rucous moving the ball up the floor for an inbounds pass.

I don't think anyone is advocating moving the player back toward the FT line extended. The trail simply points out the spot to the thrower and then backs out before bouncing the ball.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by dhodges007

Mick, is that Women's mechanics?

No, that is directly from the NF Officials Manual. It's for both men and women.

The problem with "if you pregame it!" is that it is not the NF mechanic. What other exceptions are you going to make to the official mechanics? You're better off following the manual, that way there's no deviation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
No, that is directly from the NF Officials Manual. It's for both men and women.

The problem with "if you pregame it!" is that it is not the NF mechanic. What other exceptions are you going to make to the official mechanics? You're better off following the manual, that way there's no deviation.

IIRC, when the change first came out, one source said "only two-person" and another did not make that restriction. Some states adopted the mechanic for both two- and three-person, some just for two-person. And, some crews / officials deviate from the established mechanics.

Continuing to argue this is like discussing whehter there's a shot clock in HS ball (in some states it's yes, and in some it's no)

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

IIRC, when the change first came out, one source said "only two-person" and another did not make that restriction. Some states adopted the mechanic for both two- and three-person, some just for two-person. And, some crews / officials deviate from the established mechanics.

Continuing to argue this is like discussing whehter there's a shot clock in HS ball (in some states it's yes, and in some it's no)

Bob, that may be true. However, the official mechanic from the NF is that it's not allowed. That's what's printed in the manual. If your state says to do it, then do it. Some crews do deviate from the official mechanics. That doesn't make it correct.

Besides, it's too hot to do anything else. Just as well pick a topic and beat it to death!

[mick]

Originally posted by dhodges007

Mick, is that Women's mechanics?

Denny,

For CCA Women (last season): "The L official will administer all throw-ins on the endline or on the sideline inside the free throw line extended of the offensive team's front court."

The other, as Tony mentioned, was for last year's NFHS use, unless as Bob mentioned, the states changed stuff.

It's second day in the 90's U.P. here. I'm melting, I'm melting....
mick

[JRutledge]

[i]Originally posted by dhodges007 [/B]

Rut, you can bounce it if you are the Lead and they are right there on the corner...if you pregame it! [/B][/QUOTE]

You can say anything in your pregame, but if you do that in the area that I live and you are being evaluated by HS and college assignors, you will not move past Junior High games.

There is no mechanic that allows for the lead to ever put the ball in other than the baseline or endline. In any college or even the NBA that I am aware of.

Now you have the right in your area to do whatever you feel, but if you do that in my area, you will never be taught that mechanic.

Peace

[Kelvin green]

college women as noted above and nba do teach the lead to inbound ball,

[dhodges007]

Originally posted by Kelvin green
college women as noted above and nba do teach the lead to inbound ball,

That is what I thought...thanks

[Camron Rust]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRutledge

Originally posted by Camron Rust

That is in two man, not three. To person the Trail is the only official that bounces the ball to a player on the sideline. The lead only worries about his line and the post players.

True. Working in a state that uses two-man exclusively, I don't pay as much attention to the 3-man differences. Thus, I didn't think to make the distinction.

[Jerry Baldwin]

I have been using 3 person mechanics in high school for 7+ years. I believe that when the new NFHS mechanics book is published that the above procedure will be changed so that lead will handle the throw-in. Here is the problem with trail or C handling the throw-in. If trail is handling a throw-in 1 to 4 feet from the baseline, trying to make a good bounce pass to OOB player, backing up, avoiding the feet of the players on the bench, being nearly straight lined with OOB player. Lead has moved away from the OOB player to a few feet from the FT line extended. Under these conditions no one is in a good position to see if the defense hits the ball back to OOB player and it hits OOB player or not. Or if defensive players are pressuring the throw in, then alot can happen in that corner. If trail backs out and turns his attention to the off ball, paint, screens, etc. and lead handles the ball, you have much better coverage. I have run this same play many times, experimenting with L or T handling. There is no doubt in my mind that L should handle the ball. Remember 3 person is relatively new to the high school level for most states. Which is apparent when NFHS adopted the "flex". The flex is ok when you get use to it, but trying to bring in a rookie from 2 person to 3 person and they usually worry about the roatation & forget to officiate the game. Of course Arkansas is the only state that has a shortage of BB officials. Ha! Ha! Looking forward to Oct. 12, first game.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Jerry Baldwin
I have been using 3 person mechanics in high school for 7+ years. I believe that when the new NFHS mechanics book is published that the above procedure will be changed so that lead will handle the throw-in.

Jerry, the revisions to this year's Officials' Manual are published on the web page pasted below. The change that you've suggested is not listed.

http://www.nfhs.org/sports/basketbal..._revisions.htm

[JRutledge]

For the last time, the Lead in a 3 person game in NFHS, never puts the ball in on the sideline. The change was only for 2 person, not 3 person.

The Lead has not sideline responibility anyway, so why would the Lead be putting the ball in at that position.

[Kelvin green]

First I agree with you about NFHS manual after reading posts and checking it out...
But to answer your question about why would you want lead to throw in the ball when it is not their sideline.

1) Lokk at the scenario if Ball went OOB 2 ft from baseline. Why not have lead throw it in and only make the two foot bounce pass instead of trail making a 26+ ft bounce pass down the side line in the front court? Or having the player move up and give them better position on the floor?

2) NBA, WNBA, NCAA Women cant all be wrong. They obviously think that fron on-ball/off ball coverage and plane violatons that it is easier to call from the lead than an AT&T call from the trail.