OOPS!

[Rita C]

Called my first intentional foul tonight. Come home and read the other intentional foul thread and realized I did it mostly right. Not good enough, dang it all.

It was a player control intentional. (Intentional elbow into the stomach of the defender.) My mistake is that I didn't have the fouled player make the shot. I did have it put back into play at the right spot.

Oh well. Live and learn.

Rita

[Back In The Saddle]

I'm assuming you're just being descriptive by calling it a "player control intentional." They are, of course, two seperate types of fouls with different penalties. One particularly significant difference is that if you ruled it intentional, and there was any kind of made basket involved, the basket counts.

[Rita C]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm assuming you're just being descriptive by calling it a "player control intentional." They are, of course, two seperate types of fouls with different penalties. One particularly significant difference is that if you ruled it intentional, and there was any kind of made basket involved, the basket counts.

I am being descriptive. The young woman was dribbling the ball and put a good elbow into the stomach of the guard. I called intentional foul.

Rita

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm assuming you're just being descriptive by calling it a "player control intentional." They are, of course, two seperate types of fouls with different penalties. One particularly significant difference is that if you ruled it intentional, and there was any kind of made basket involved, the basket counts.

This is strange, but true!

If airborne shooter A1 intentionally fouls B1 and the try is successful, then the goal counts and B1 will be awarded 2 FTs with no players along the lane followed by a throw-in for Team B at the nearest spot from the foul.

Why? Because the foul by A1 is not a player control foul even though it was committed by an airborne shooter. It just doesn't meet the definition, since it was not a common foul.

[stosh]

But doesn't a foul being committed by anyone other than an opponent of the shooter make the ball immediately dead (no basket)? That would cancel the shot or made basket and give B1 two FTs and the ball near where the foul occured.

[IREFU2]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

This is strange, but true!

If airborne shooter A1 intentionally fouls B1 and the try is successful, then the goal counts and B1 will be awarded 2 FTs with no players along the lane followed by a throw-in for Team B at the nearest spot from the foul.

Why? Because the foul by A1 is not a player control foul even though it was committed by an airborne shooter. It just doesn't meet the definition, since it was not a common foul.

You may want to look over the ruling on that. An airborne shooter is still a shooter until he returns to the floor. But if he passes that ball he is no long an airborne shooter.

[IREFU2]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

This is strange, but true!

If airborne shooter A1 intentionally fouls B1 and the try is successful, then the goal counts and B1 will be awarded 2 FTs with no players along the lane followed by a throw-in for Team B at the nearest spot from the foul.

Why? Because the foul by A1 is not a player control foul even though it was committed by an airborne shooter. It just doesn't meet the definition, since it was not a common foul.

You may want to look over the ruling on that. An airborne shooter is still a shooter until he returns to the floor. But if he passes that ball he is no long an airborne shooter. I dont have my rule book in front of me right now.

[IREFU2]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

This is strange, but true!

If airborne shooter A1 intentionally fouls B1 and the try is successful, then the goal counts and B1 will be awarded 2 FTs with no players along the lane followed by a throw-in for Team B at the nearest spot from the foul.

Why? Because the foul by A1 is not a player control foul even though it was committed by an airborne shooter. It just doesn't meet the definition, since it was not a common foul.

You may want to look over the ruling on that. An airborne shooter is still a shooter until he returns to the floor. But if he passes that ball he is no long an airborne shooter. I dont have my rule book in front of me right now.

[CaliOne]

Just give her a Flagrant T and toss her!!! That will eliminate any confusion! lol

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by IREFU2

You may want to look over the ruling on that. An airborne shooter is still a shooter until he returns to the floor. But if he passes that ball he is no long an airborne shooter. I dont have my rule book in front of me right now.

I'm lost. Where does a pass come into this?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by stosh
But doesn't a foul being committed by anyone other than an opponent of the shooter make the ball immediately dead (no basket)? That would cancel the shot or made basket and give B1 two FTs and the ball near where the foul occured.

A foul by the offense results in an immediate dead ball if the ball is not in flight on a try. If the ball is in flight, then only a foul by the airborne shooter makes the ball dead immediately (no basket). If the foul is by another offensive player, then the ball does not become dead until the try ends (and the basket will count of the try is successful).

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by bob jenkins
If the ball is in flight, then only a foul by the airborne shooter makes the ball dead immediately (no basket).

More precisely, and as Nevada pointed out, only a common foul by the airborne shooter causes a try in flight to become dead immediately.

A player control foul is defined as a common foul, so if the airborne shooter commits an intentional or flagrant foul after releasing the try, the basket will count if it goes in.