Shot clock question

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Old School

The coach argued that the game clock should say 3.1 seconds. I told the coach there's a one second delay so there's the one second. Had he said 4.1 seconds, I could have put 3.1 seconds on the clock, but since he insisted that it should be 3.1.

First of all, I'm new here, but I've noted others' responses to your posts and have to say I agree - I don't think you're an official.

Two points on your original post, though:
1. You're gonna let a coach tell you what should be on the clock? "Had he said 4.1 seconds, I could have put 3.1 seconds on the clock..." WTH?

2. The rule regarding lag time has been eliminated. If you DID have definite knowledge of a time other than 2.1 seconds, you could have changed it to that exact time.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

First of all, I'm new here, but I've noted others' responses to your posts and have to say I agree - I don't think you're an official.

Two points on your original post, though:
1. You're gonna let a coach tell you what should be on the clock? "Had he said 4.1 seconds, I could have put 3.1 seconds on the clock..." WTH?

2. The rule regarding lag time has been eliminated. If you DID have definite knowledge of a time other than 2.1 seconds, you could have changed it to that exact time.

The play happen 2 years ago. If I had definite knowledge I would have put it back on the clock, however, I stated very clearly that I didn't have definite knowledge. When the coach said one second different than what the actual time now reads. I told the coach there's a one second lag time. The coach needs to say at least 2 seconds different from the time or he leaves himself open to that interpretation from the official. The home team clock personnel and the home team coach is gonna yell and be right by rule, one second delay, you can't change, hence, this is probably why they remove this wording this year. My bet is it actually happened somewhere.

Don't be so quick to judge.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

First of all, I'm new here, but I've noted others' responses to your posts and have to say I agree - I don't think you're an official.

JMO, but I don't think anyone should waste their time with his/her posts.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

[size=30]...but I don't think anyone should waste their time with his/her posts.

I will say it like this. At camps I attended over the last 3 years. The camp directors would always say at the beginning of the camp. "You're going to get a lot of information during this camp. Take what makes since to you and use it if you can. That, that doesn't make since, don't use it." The same is true of discussion. If something is said that you don't agree with, than you don't have to read it, but what you should never do is disregard someone's else point of view based on someone else's prejudice. Judge life and the content of one's character for yourself and draw your own conclusions. Much the same way as you call a game. Call the game based on what you see, not on what the coach sees or what the fans see.

I am much like an official in a hostile crowd engaging this board. Notice how I am constantly attacked for what I call or say. Also notice how I stick to my point (or call) at hand and not let the crowd persuade me or get to me. I may not always be right, that is life, but I stick to my belief (my call).

Peace....

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Old School

Also notice how I stick to my point (or call) at hand and not let the crowd persuade me or get to me. I may not always be right, that is life, but I stick to my belief (my call).

Stay the course, Old School, stay the course.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by Old School

Also notice how I stick to my point (or call) at hand and not let the crowd persuade me or get to me. I may not always be right, that is life, but I stick to my belief (my call).

If your partner approached you with information that you kicked a rule would you change it or would you stick to your belief so that you don't look bad?

I had a HS game where there was 2.1 seconds left after a OOB play to go in a one point game. The coach argued that the game clock should say 3.1 seconds. I told the coach there's a one second delay so there's the one second. Had he said 4.1 seconds, I could have put 3.1 seconds on the clock, but since he insisted that it should be 3.1.

You could not have put 3.1 seconds on the clock 2 years ago. You would have to put 4.1 seconds if you had definite knowledge that it ran down from 4.1 to 2.1.

I was watching to see which way my partner was going to go with the ball. Clock was secondary.

Actually the clock should be your primary concern in this case. It takes only a split second to make sure that the clock is stopped and then you can find out where your partner is signaling the ball to go.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

You could not have put 3.1 seconds on the clock 2 years ago. You would have to put 4.1 seconds if you had definite knowledge that it ran down from 4.1 to 2.1.

The point here is not putting time back on the clock. The point here is we could always tell a coach that if the difference between what you think it is, is 1 second, there's a 1 second delay in the rulebook. We could always, with definite knowledge put 1 second back on the clock. Without this knowledge, and the coach argueing for one second, my response to 1 second is lag time. Had he argued 2 seconds, I could not say there's 1 second lag time. This scenario is why I think they removed the wording in the rulebook.

Actually the clock should be your primary concern in this case. It takes only a split second to make sure that the clock is stopped and then you can find out where your partner is signaling the ball to go.

I'm not in disagreement with this. However, I had to also make sure my partner pointed correctly in this game ending type of play. So the question comes up. What would you watch as the trail official in a close 2 person game? The clock which is on the wall away from your direct line of vision, or the ball going OOB and who was the last one to touch it?

I opted for the correct call on the OOB play and listen for the horn to determine if the game was over. Once my partner hit his whistle, he hesitated which way to point, I had a better angle and was there to assist if needed. Not to mention, there was quite a lot of activity on this OOB play. Of course there would be, kids diving for the ball, one point game, pushing here other, all kind of stuff was going on on this OOB play. Even when the play was dead, there was much to do as an official watching the dead ball activity.

Now, coach calls timeout, requests the time be set to 3.1. The clock read 2.1. We got the dust settled, didn't have to administer any technicals from dead ball activity. I conferred with my partner. Did you notice the clock when you hit your whistle? no! Did you? no! Sorry coach, see explanation above. Now, I can't legally say one second lag time. I got to come up with something else to tell the coach why I'm not changing it.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by Old School

The point here is not putting time back on the clock. The point here is we could always tell a coach that if the difference between what you think it is, is 1 second, there's a 1 second delay in the rulebook. We could always, with definite knowledge put 1 second back on the clock. Without this knowledge, and the coach argueing for one second, my response to 1 second is lag time. Had he argued 2 seconds, I could not say there's 1 second lag time. This scenario is why I think they removed the wording in the rulebook.

I understand your point I was just pointing out that what you said was incorrect in case anyone was learning. Who knows they may go back to a lag time.

Originally Posted by Old School

Now, I can't legally say one second lag time. I got to come up with something else to tell the coach why I'm not changing it.

You don't have to come up with anything. If you, your partner or the table don't have definite knowledge then by rule you cannot fix it. This is the rule even if 10 seconds came off the clock.