Shot clock question

[tomegun]

There is a scramble for the ball after a shot. A player secures the ball and calls timeout immediately. The official grants it immediately. The shot clock says 35. What do you do?

A. Leave the shot clock alone

B. Set it to 34 because a second MUST come off since they controlled the ball.

Another lovely situation I had in a game. I will wait and then say what side of this "disagreement" I was on.

[ChuckElias]

If I saw that the shot clock had been reset correctly when A1 grabbed the ball and then was re-set again when TO was called, I would reset it to what I saw before the TO.

If I didn't see the shot clock reset after the granting of the TO, I would not put it at 34 and tell the coach (if asked), that the TO was granted so quickly that the timer simply didn't have time to reset. I don't think you can definitively say that a second had to come off. Could've been less.

[zebraman]

I would have left it alone.

Z

[tomegun]

Of course, my partner said the clock HAD to go to 34. I told him it didn't. His only reasoning was what someone else told him. He didn't have any definite knowledge, he just thought it had to be done no matter what.

This was not a good situation. I feel sorry for the teams because this was a close game and there were other things that happened.

[All_Heart]

This is an older thread but I have the exact same question.

When the shot clock is reset it is reset to 35.0. It doesn't show 34 until it hits 34.0.

Showing Actual
35 35.0
35 34.9
35 34.8

35 34.2
35 34.1
34 34.0

1 0.2
1 0.1
0 0.0

This means that the shot clock can show 35 but that in reality it is at 34.(something). If the shot clock is reset to 34.0 then you have now taken time away from the team in control.

Is their an interpretation or a case play that describes this situation? I've heard from a number of knowledgeable sources that you have to reset the clock to 34, but I just can't agree with that based on my above argument. Please set me straight if I am wrong.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

This is an older thread but I have the exact same question.

When the shot clock is reset it is reset to 35.0. It doesn't show 34 until it hits 34.0.

Showing Actual
35 35.0
35 34.9
35 34.8

35 34.2
35 34.1
34 34.0

1 0.2
1 0.1
0 0.0

This means that the shot clock can show 35 but that in reality it is at 34.(something). If the shot clock is reset to 34.0 then you have now taken time away from the team in control.

Is their an interpretation or a case play that describes this situation? I've heard from a number of knowledgeable sources that you have to reset the clock to 34, but I just can't agree with that based on my above argument. Please set me straight if I am wrong.

I'm no expert, as I'm only in my second year of using a shot clock, but using your above logic, I agree. So unless the shotclock shows tenths of a second above 9.9 seconds (I don't think I've ever seen one that does this), I don't know why you'd change it to 34, when it's possible the clock was properly reset and stopped, and .9 or less seconds of time have elapsed.

[Old School]

I also thought there was a one second delay in the electronics, timer pressing the stop button, etc. At 35 or 34 seconds, I'm not going to look for extra work to do. It's 35 coach. You get a fresh new 10 seconds to bring it up the court if backcourt to frontcourt. If it's stays in the FC, 35 seconds. Play ball. There is no way you could ever convince me that the game is going to come down to this one second. I'm not changing nothing.

I had a HS game where there was 2.1 seconds left after a OOB play to go in a one point game. The coach argued that the game clock should say 3.1 seconds. I told the coach there's a one second delay so there's the one second. Had he said 4.1 seconds, I could have put 3.1 seconds on the clock, but since he insisted that it should be 3.1. I had nothing to go back to the table with, plus I did not have definite knowledge cause I was watching to see which way my partner was going to go with the ball. Clock was secondary.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Old School

The coach argued that the game clock should say 3.1 seconds. I told the coach there's a one second delay so there's the one second. Had he said 4.1 seconds, I could have put 3.1 seconds on the clock, but since he insisted that it should be 3.1.

First of all, I'm new here, but I've noted others' responses to your posts and have to say I agree - I don't think you're an official.

Two points on your original post, though:
1. You're gonna let a coach tell you what should be on the clock? "Had he said 4.1 seconds, I could have put 3.1 seconds on the clock..." WTH?

2. The rule regarding lag time has been eliminated. If you DID have definite knowledge of a time other than 2.1 seconds, you could have changed it to that exact time.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Of course, my partner said the clock HAD to go to 34. I told him it didn't. His only reasoning was what someone else told him.

Very typical: "Somebody told me that, but I don't remember who".

Variation: "[Name] told that during a meeting some years ago". ([Name] stands for an instructor, assignor o colleague who is not present at the moment.)

Second variation: "It is in the rule book or in the case book, at the moment I can't find where; maybe some interpretation I read in the net."

I have said many things which are not in the rule book, according to some young officials; of course I have never said those things.

I remember very well that many years ago, I was very young, a coach told me about an error I made and he was right, while I insisted that the rule book said differently. Since then I try not to be caught unprepared.

Ciao

[All_Heart]

Where's Chuck when I need him

Maybe we could collect money from everyone and hire him back. (Of course as a seperate screen name) We could stand in front of Kroger next to the Salvation Army volunteers and blow our whistles instead of ringing bells.