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[Scoobydoo1995]

4. Team A player is first to touch after the ball gains bc status.

In fiba rules, that player needs to have BC-position!!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Scoobydoo1995
So If a player passes it's ball to the backcourt (standing in frontcourt) it's also a violation???

Yes, Scooby. In fact, this would probably be an obvious violation if you were to actually see it. You'd say, "Hey, he can't do that!" Maybe you're just not envisioning it correctly.

But as for your original question, look back at what Rainmaker wrote. Let's go through it.

1. Team control

Team A clearly had team control, b/c A1 was holding a live ball inbounds.

2. Ball with frontcourt status

Since the ball was held -- and not dribbled -- it had frontcourt status as soon as A1 held it with both his feet in the frontcourt. So we definitely have frontcourt status. (If A1 had been dribbling from backcourt to frontcourt, the situation would be different. The ball would actually have to touch in the frontcourt to have frontcourt status. But since A1 caught the ball and held it while in the frontcourt, the dribbling provisions do not apply.)

3. Team A player is last to touch before the ball gains bc status

A1 was the last player to touch the ball before the ball touched in the backcourt.

4. Team A player is first to touch after the ball gains bc status.

When A1 completed the dribble, he was also the first player to touch the ball after it had gained backcourt status.

This is a violation.

I hope that helps a little.

[SmokeEater]

Yea what He said, I meant, only better described..... if that makes any sense.

[johnny1784]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

This is simply not true. Re-think this one, smokeeater.

Or re-smoke whatever you've been puffing on.

[refnrev]

Scooby, I always end up going back to the illustration a 30+ year official gave me several years ago. It's like the three legs of a stool. The feet are two legs and the ball is the other. All three have to be in front for FC but once they are there's no going back. I had one Thursday. A1 was being guarded at midcourt after a BC throw in on the side. She had one foot and the ball in FC and then barely raised the back foot and put it back down. Violation -- even though her loud mouthed and not so smart Daddy didn't think so.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by refnrev
It's like the three legs of a stool. The feet are two legs and the ball is the other. All three have to be in front for FC

As long as we remember that the ball doesn't actually have to touch in the frontcourt if the player is holding it.

A1 was being guarded at midcourt after a BC throw in on the side. She had one foot and the ball in FC and then barely raised the back foot and put it back down. Violation [/B]

Correct, as long as A1 was holding the ball and not dribbling it at the time the backcourt foot was lifted.

The "3-points" thing is a nice guideline, as long as we all remember that it only applies when dribbling from backcourt to frontcourt.

[Jayzer]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Yes, Scooby. In fact, this would probably be an obvious violation if you were to actually see it. You'd say, "Hey, he can't do that!" Maybe you're just not envisioning it correctly.

But as for your original question, look back at what Rainmaker wrote. Let's go through it.

1. Team control

Team A clearly had team control, b/c A1 was holding a live ball inbounds.

2. Ball with frontcourt status

Since the ball was held -- and not dribbled -- it had frontcourt status as soon as A1 held it with both his feet in the frontcourt. So we definitely have frontcourt status. (If A1 had been dribbling from backcourt to frontcourt, the situation would be different. The ball would actually have to touch in the frontcourt to have frontcourt status. But since A1 caught the ball and held it while in the frontcourt, the dribbling provisions do not apply.)

3. Team A player is last to touch before the ball gains bc status

A1 was the last player to touch the ball before the ball touched in the backcourt.

4. Team A player is first to touch after the ball gains bc status.

When A1 completed the dribble, he was also the first player to touch the ball after it had gained backcourt status.

This is a violation.

I hope that helps a little.

[ChuckElias]

What are you trying to say, J.J.?

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
What are you trying to say, J.J.?

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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[refnrev]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

As long as we remember that the ball doesn't actually have to touch in the frontcourt if the player is holding it.

Correct, as long as A1 was holding the ball and not dribbling it at the time the backcourt foot was lifted.

The "3-points" thing is a nice guideline, as long as we all remember that it only applies when dribbling from backcourt to frontcourt. [/B]

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