How many feet to establish?

[lmeadski]

This became a major debate issue at our last org meeting. Player comes in from out of bounds and established 1. one foot before catching the ball 2. two feet before catching the ball. Which is a violation? Our old school refs laid claim to two feet and could not be convinced otherwise. The new school refs say one foot (with reference to 4.35.2 in the NFHS case book). I brought this up at my last game to my partner to establish how we'd call it and he thought I was nuts...its TWO feet (old school....). Is it one, or two? Or, is this a paper or plastic issue: Either works, just decide which to use?

[JRutledge]

All you need to do is touch the inbounds part of the court, you are considered inbounds. So the last place you touched on the floor is where you are considered to be (airborne player). As long as one foot is completely inbounds, that is all you need.

Peace

[truerookie]

one toe

[mick]

lmeadski,
With regards to being inbounds or being outa bounds, the rules do not differentiate between one foot or more feet.

A player is where the player is until that player is somewhere else.
And, the player is somewhere else when that player is touching somewhere else.

Yes, 4.35.2c says it simply.

Don't over-think this thing, just keep it simple.
There is nothing tricky here.
mick

[lmeadski]

Its our varsity/experienced refs in our local association with hundreds of years experience that cling to the two feet rule. I even cited rhyme and verse to no avail. Just wanted to hear what you all had to say on the matter. I feel vindicated...sort of.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by lmeadski
Its our varsity/experienced refs in our local association with hundreds of years experience that cling to the two feet rule. I even cited rhyme and verse to no avail. Just wanted to hear what you all had to say on the matter. I feel vindicated...sort of.

Ask THEM to cite chapter and verse. They've got their football and basketball mixed up.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by lmeadski
Its our varsity/experienced refs in our local association with hundreds of years experience that cling to the two feet rule. I even cited rhyme and verse to no avail. Just wanted to hear what you all had to say on the matter. I feel vindicated...sort of.

Tell them that referees who have hundreds of years of experience should at least read through the rulebook every decade or so.

Z

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by zebraman


Tell them that referees who have hundreds of years of experience should at least read through the rulebook every decade or so.

Z

I thought the tests were supposed to prove how much these guys knew? I would assume that means guys took hundreds of years of tests

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by JRutledge

I thought the tests were supposed to prove how much these guys knew? I would assume that means guys took hundreds of years of tests

Peace

Nah, just because they passed doesn't mean they did well. Only a 70 is required to pass...a score that a monkey could almost get. Scoring well and passing are two different things.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by rainmaker
Ask THEM to cite chapter and verse. They've got their football and basketball mixed up.

Nope, nope, nope! Not true Juulie. You should know better!

In football, if a player is not touching OOB, he's not OOB. He doesn't even have to be touching inbounds. If he's OOB and jumps, he's inbounds while he's airborne.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Nope, nope, nope! Not true Juulie. You should know better!

In football, if a player is not touching OOB, he's not OOB. He doesn't even have to be touching inbounds. If he's OOB and jumps, he's inbounds while he's airborne.

And I should know better.....

....how?

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by rainmaker

And I should know better.....

....how?

As an official, you know not to make comparisons, statements, or assumpions about a sport that you aren't as versed in. For example, don't ask me a volleyball or soccer question unless you're going to give me an opportunity to research it. Otherwise, I might say something...wrong.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

As an official, you know not to make comparisons, statements, or assumpions about a sport that you aren't as versed in. For example, don't ask me a volleyball or soccer question unless you're going to give me an opportunity to research it. Otherwise, I might say something...wrong.

Okay, I'll never do it again. This is my second huge board mistake in one day. I think I'll go find some eggnog.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by rainmaker
I think I'll go find some eggnog.

Go ask the cheerleaders. I hear they've got it.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by rainmaker
Okay, I'll never do it again. This is my second huge board mistake in one day. I think I'll go find some eggnog.

It's okay, that's why I !

Have a glass for me (I hate the stuff!).