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Old Thu Dec 01, 2005, 12:05pm
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One of our used-to-be posters here, Eli Roe, made the NY Post this morning. Eli is a rookie on the NBA staff this year.

From the Post story on the Knicks game last night: "Brown showed his intensity in the first half, arguing with the refs for every call. At one point he became frustrated with young referee Eli Roe. He had some words with Roe who fired back at Brown. Brown then responded 'I don't need that bleep from you....you don't even belong here'. T-time".

Ah yes, Larry Brown....what a guy.

I never knew that "whining" and "intensity" meant the exact same thing.
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Old Thu Dec 01, 2005, 12:07pm
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Go, Eli!!

Wooo- hooo!!
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Old Thu Dec 01, 2005, 02:18pm
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Old Thu Dec 01, 2005, 02:40pm
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One of our used-to-be posters here, Eli Roe
Why is he a "used-to-be poster"?

I realize we usually talk NFHS or NCAA rulings...but, his philosophy's, experiences, and insight could be very enlightning for this forum...IMO.

Afterall, a big portion of officiating is about managing people...whatever level of ball it may be.
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Eli and a couple other guys got a pretty rough reception when they first came here. Three or four guys who seemed to know each other showed up at the same time and they all had pro (either actual games or pro try-out camps) experience. They espoused a lot of pro philosophy and seemed to be encouraging people to use pro rulings in HS and NCAA situations. One of them in particular (a poster named "crew", not Eli) gave all kinds of incorrect rule interps and was roundly and soundly denounced for it, and I think that the whole group just decided this wasn't the place for them. And with their pro mentality, they might've been right.

I've since met both Eli and "crew" and they're both pretty cool guys. Eli and Zach Zarba were both up for an NBA spot last season and Zach got it. So I'm glad Eli made it this year. (Zach is a really great guy too, by the way.)
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Old Thu Dec 01, 2005, 03:16pm
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This is pretty cool. Nice job.
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Old Thu Dec 01, 2005, 03:28pm
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One of our used-to-be posters here, Eli Roe
Why is he a "used-to-be poster"?

I realize we usually talk NFHS or NCAA rulings...but, his philosophy's, experiences, and insight could be very enlightning for this forum...IMO.

Afterall, a big portion of officiating is about managing people...whatever level of ball it may be.
As I understand it......

The NBRA- National Basketball Referees Association- started their own web site last year. They originally had an area where they answered rules questions, etc. The NBA Head Office told them to knock it off; they didn't want their officials discussing rules or answering rules questions publically unless it was under the strict auspices of the Head Office. Iow, they don't want Eli Roe or anybody else on their staff talking about anything that they haven't cleared first.

I may be wrong, but that's my understanding.

http://probasketballrefs.com/home.htm

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Old Thu Dec 01, 2005, 03:41pm
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Joe Forte used to have a site called Hoopsref.com that's now defunct. I never heard a reason why but figured it had to do with the same issues.

Good job, Eli. I left tickets for me for an NBDL game he was working. Did a nice job and was working with Ed Malloy, he made the league 2 or 3 years ago.

Nice job on the T as well.
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I'm sorry, but I don't think we can say that the T was good, because we don't know all of the information.

What did Eli say to Brown when he "fired back"?

Surely Eli knew that he'd get some of, "I don't need that bleep from you....you don't even belong here" during his beginning stints in the NBA. It may be that Brown was addressing a call in which he was wrong, however, when an official says something to a coach that causes the coach to react that then causes the official to issue a T, is not a good approach, in my opinion.
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I'm sorry, but I don't think we can say that the T was good, because we don't know all of the information.

What did Eli say to Brown when he "fired back"?
First, regardless of what Eli said when he "fired back", Brown's comment is T-worthy. If Eli's comment was inappropriate, I'm sure Ronnie Nunn already has Brown's report and Eli will be disciplined. But that doesn't excuse Brown's comment. (And in any case, I'd bet that Eli's comment was not personal toward Brown.)

Second, working the NBA is not like working regional D3 ball or high school ball or even D1 ball, for that matter. There are only 30 head coaches and only 60 officials. You see each other a dozen times or more over the course of a season; not 3 or 4, like you would in college or high school. So you have to draw your line immediately. You can't just say, "Well, I'm gonna get through this game and then I'll never see that coach again." You have to let each coach and player know that you're not "the new kid"; you're "the law". You don't want to beat them over the head with that attitude, but they have to know that they're not gonna be able to mess with you.

If Eli is suspended for a game, then we'll know you were onto something. But I'd be surprised if he is.
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Old Thu Dec 01, 2005, 07:04pm
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What did Eli say to Brown when he "fired back"?

Surely Eli knew that he'd get some of, "I don't need that bleep from you....you don't even belong here" during his beginning stints in the NBA. It may be that Brown was addressing a call in which he was wrong....
Um, Juggler, what part of "arguing with the refs for every call" didn't you get?

Brown basically got a stop sign of some kind, iow.
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Old Thu Dec 01, 2005, 11:04pm
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I'm sorry, but I don't think we can say that the T was good, because we don't know all of the information.

What did Eli say to Brown when he "fired back"?

Surely Eli knew that he'd get some of, "I don't need that bleep from you....you don't even belong here" during his beginning stints in the NBA. It may be that Brown was addressing a call in which he was wrong, however, when an official says something to a coach that causes the coach to react that then causes the official to issue a T, is not a good approach, in my opinion.
It may not be a T in Canada, but it's a T in the NBA, NCAA and NFHS.

The fact that he stood up to a coach who has won an NBA CHampionship and an NCAA Championship is a very good sign that he won't be intimidated and will do the job he's paid today. I've watched hundreds and hundreds of NBA games. I've never seen a coach get a T that didn't deserve it.
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LOL... I didn't think my post would be popular in the positive sense.

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The fact that he stood up to a coach who has won an NBA Championship and an NCAA Championship is a very good sign that he won't be intimidated and will do the job he's paid today. I've watched hundreds and hundreds of NBA games. I've never seen a coach get a T that didn't deserve it.
As I understand, Dick Bavetta once said "...it's not my call..." to which a coach replied, "Whose call is it, the popcorn guys?" What if that coach said something that might have warranted a T, and Dick rang him up? It is clear that the situation was escalated with the comment, "...it's not my call."

The possibility exists that Eli said something that was inappropriate. We just don't know.

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If Eli is suspended for a game, then we'll know you were onto something. But I'd be surprised if he is.
The NBA will not suspend him, we both know that. If there is any punishment that is warranted, it will be done in private. We will never know.

I don't disagree with you that Brown's comment was personal and possibly T-able. When I read the original post, there was only one-third of the dialogue reproduced. How can you get the full story from such a lack of evidence?

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Um, Juggler, what part of "arguing with the refs for every call" didn't you get?

Brown basically got a stop sign of some kind
Evidence of the stop sign, please. What if on that play, JR, LB had a good point? How do you know he didn't? Maybe if you posted the entire story, or a link.........

To me, so far it sounds like the original story was poorly written.
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Old Fri Dec 02, 2005, 01:08am
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Build a bridge and get over it, Jug, you're blowing it out of proportion.
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Build a bridge and get over it, Jug, you're blowing it out of proportion.
Say you're on the Executive of your local association and this same event happens to a local official and the event becomes public. Are you not going to request to know what the other dialogue was? Of course you are.

Does the fact that you have zero influence over this NBA sitch trump the consistency of wanting to know the whole story? Maybe not for you, but for some it does. Heck, if I listened to all that the media said, I'd be like 10th in my football pool.

But I will take your advice, Tony, and re-think my philosophy.
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