Damn Summer leagues

[moose69]

Alright, i'm not one for summer leagues because of the non-chalant attitude, but hey the money is good. Anways, me and my partner are calling agood game featureing the best team in the league andthe hot-headed problem team. The good team is up by about 35, late in the game there was a bit of chatter on the lane, then after the 2nd made shot, b1 goes to inbound and whips the ball violently at A1's groin. Easy call for me, Flagrant Technical foul, bye bye.B1 decides to voice his displeasure regarding my call, earns himself a 2nd T, no coaches in this league so no one to charge the foul too . League rules say clock stops on a T foul shot, butsince there were 12 secs left we shot them with straight time. Once B1 earned his 2nd T i sent him to the room as I think the Fed rule for getting DQ'd on a flagrant or 2t's is B.S. and i thought things might get really out of hand so i promptly sent himtotheroom...

Any thoughs on this one????


Tyler

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by moose69
Alright, i'm not one for summer leagues because of the non-chalant attitude, but hey the money is good. Anways, me and my partner are calling agood game featureing the best team in the league andthe hot-headed problem team. The good team is up by about 35, late in the game there was a bit of chatter on the lane, then after the 2nd made shot, b1 goes to inbound and whips the ball violently at A1's groin. Easy call for me, Flagrant Technical foul, bye bye.B1 decides to voice his displeasure regarding my call, earns himself a 2nd T, no coaches in this league so no one to charge the foul too .

Why would you want to charge this to the coach? B1 wasn't "bench personnel" yet.

League rules say clock stops on a T foul shot, butsince there were 12 secs left we shot them with straight time. Once B1 earned his 2nd T i sent him to the room as I think the Fed rule for getting DQ'd on a flagrant or 2t's is B.S. and i thought things might get really out of hand so i promptly sent himtotheroom...

What is "the room?" The purpose of the FED rule keeping the player on the bench is so that they have adult supervision. I assume some adult associated with that team was present at the game. I'd find that adult and have the player sit with that adult.

[moose69]

There is no adult associated with this team. It's a mens league. No Coaches, no Mangers, no nothing. Just players. My Logic, and I assume fed's logic is that if a player is misbehaving bad enough then send him to the dressing room away from the rest of the players and fans where he/she could possibly provoke more uncalled for activities.The non-calling official escorted this player to the dressing room and we never saw him again, not allowed to come out for the hand shake or anything like that. Worked like a charm.Removing ejected players in other sports has always been the way to go as well. You don't see someone get a 5 minute major for high sticking and a game misconduct and be allowed to sit in the box or at the end of the bench in a hockey game. Or if someone comes out to argue balls and strikes and the umpire throws him/her out, they must leave the park( read diamond) and goto the dressing room or parking lot. Why can't basketball be more the same?


Tyler

[Brian Watson]

I am way confused by your post but...

I think they sit on the bench for legal reasons, not to be different from other sports. It's supposedly negligence if we send him to the locker room and he hurts himself since there are no adults around.

This goes along the same line where we cannot tell them to take earrings out, we just tell them they cannot particiapte with them on, then it is their choice to remove them.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by moose69
There is no adult associated with this team. It's a mens league.

Oh -- Men's league. I muist have missed that in the original post. I agree -- kick the bum out of the gym.

Or if someone comes out to argue balls and strikes and the umpire throws him/her out, they must leave the park( read diamond) and goto the dressing room or parking lot. Why can't basketball be more the same?

Not true for FED baseball -- assuming it's a player who is ejected. FED baseball and FED basketball are the same in this respect.

[Love2ref4Ever]

This league that you speak of reminds me of a recreation league here in NYC,This league is only known for officials who want to make some good money.I worked this league for a couple of years and made a decision one day to give it up. Did I miss the money? yeah,This league also placed more of a responsibility on officials. For example ofiicials kept the clock(hand held)during the games, officials had to call in the scores of your games every night(if not you could get fined)Officials had to make sure the gym was clean before leaving, at the end of the evening(soda cans,bottles,etc.)And the one thing that always bothered me,Officials never worked on there craft(mechanics etc.)and I found myself getting out of shape and the sad thing was even though the money was good, The more I worked this league the more I hated basketball!! And there was something wrong with that picture.

[Hawks Coach]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

Why would you want to charge this to the coach? B1 wasn't "bench personnel" yet.

An interesting problem - for him to be bench personnel there would have to be a coach to notify. Had there been a coach, player may have been bench personnel, depending on the timing of the 2nd T and the notification. I hope the league has a suspension policy for guys like this.

Originally posted by Hawks Coach

An interesting problem - for him to be bench personnel there would have to be a coach to notify. Had there been a coach, player may have been bench personnel, depending on the timing of the 2nd T and the notification. I hope the league has a suspension policy for guys like this.

A couple of years ago in a mens league we had a problem with the T not carrying enough weight. 2 T's and your out but next game you were back to break my "onions". So we as officials told the lesgue director that T's needed to mean more. We decided that on the 3rd T, during the season, the player would sit out the rest of game being played and the next one. 4th T, 2 games suspension. On the 5th accumulated T he would be out of the league for the rest of the season and asked not to return for next season. This has weeded out the undesireables and given us as officials a little more control/power. See if you can implement it into your mens leagues. It's fair, I think for both parties.

[AK ref SE]

We use the Accumlutive "T" system. Per Season
1st T is a freebie
2nd T Gone for game,1 game suspension, $25 fine
3rd T Gone for game 2 game suspension, $25 fine
4th T Gone for game 3 game suspension, $50 fine
5th T Gone for game, gone for 1 calendar year, $50 fine must be paid or unable to ever sign up.

It works wonders, but you still have a few that just don't get it!!!!!

AK ref SE

[rockyroad]

Our rec league runs a spring tournament where every T is an automatic - and immediate - $5 fine...they must pay the guy running the gym right then or leave...they also must sit the remainder of the half or 5 min. of the next half if close to end...the $ raised all goes to a charity. Works pretty well, until you see some guy pull out a huge wad of 5's and start passing them around to his teammates!