2 rules questions

[roadking]

1. A1 shoots and is partially blocked by B2, ball hits rim and goes out of bounds who gets possesion?

2. A1 shot is blocked by B2, A1 recovers block while still in air and comes down with ball. A1 shoots ball again. is there a violation?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by roadking
1. A1 shoots and is partially blocked by B2, ball hits rim and goes out of bounds who gets possesion?

2. A1 shot is blocked by B2, A1 recovers block while still in air and comes down with ball. A1 shoots ball again. is there a violation?

!)If B2 touched the ball last before it went out of bounds, then team A would get the throw-in.

2)Depends. If the ball completely left A1's hands before the block, then A1 can legally recover the ball after the block, come down and then dribble, pass or shoot again. If the ball didn't leave A1's hands, and it is then blocked and A1 comes down with it, you have a jump ball and AP.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

!)If B2 touched the ball last before it went out of bounds, then team A would get the throw-in.

2)Depends. If the ball completely left A1's hands before the block, then A1 can legally recover the ball after the block, come down and then dribble, pass or shoot again. If the ball didn't leave A1's hands, and it is then blocked and A1 comes down with it, you have a jump ball and AP.

JR is correct on everything posted here except for the words "Depends" and "jump." In their places, he should have written, "No" and "held" as a held ball is not a violation, nor is it synonymous with a jump ball.

[Kelvin green]

Dont take this personally but what I would tell you is think the play through slowly and see what happens

1)who touched ball last? The fact that is partailly or fully blocked or hit the rim are all insignificant. When a ball goes OOB the person who touched it last caused it to go there and it now belongs to the other team

2) Once gain using your terms.. A1's shot is blocked. When I read shot that means ball has been released and team comtrol no longer exists (player control via Airborne shhoter still may apply) Ball is loose B hits ball A grabs it in mid air. You now have a new control and have to wworry about a travel coming down taking (too many steps coming down since travel rule would be like a pass here) and shhots it again. There is nothing...

If B blocked it while A1 was attempting the shooting process and ball did not leve A's hand you now have a jump since the opponent has his hand(s) placed firmly on the ball and prevents the player from throwing the ball or releasing it for a try...

I think officials attempt to make the game more difficult than it is by trying to read things into plays. Use the definitions and walk through plays logically and you will get calls right a whole lot more than not