Using the "H" word

[Stripes33]

It goes back to "not what you say but how you say it".
I respect your opinion on not allowing it at all but I still think it's not that cut and dry.

[mick]

Originally posted by Stripes33
It goes back to "not what you say but how you say it".
I respect your opinion on not allowing it at all but I still think it's not that cut and dry.

Good call, Stripes33.
mick

[JRutledge]

If you do not like the words, penalize it any way you see fit. I do not like these words either. With all the different music, backgrounds of the people, social status, education level, community standards, tone of the words and what other officials do all play a big factor in what you do.

Tommy, if you decide to throw every kid out for using these words, not only do I understand I would support you. I just feel that what you suggest is not going to stop anyone from saying those words. All you are going to do in my opinion is cause a bigger problem that might not be understood by everyone. Especially if no one heard the comments and it was not taken offensively by the person being talked to. All I have ever said it is not a simple black and white issue. There are a lot of gray in this and will greatly be affected by the area you live, what you were taught as an official and your personal background. If I threw out every kid that used these words when no on heard them, I would lead the state in ejections. The way I have handled this situation has worked for me. What I do is probably not going to work for you. I also know a lot of Black officials that would not handle this situation like you either. I have had many conversations with officials of different colors about this.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Stripes33
I bet you're one of those guys that also calls every foul when a team is up by 30 points.

And I'll bet that you're one of those guys that makes responses like this instead of simply answering the questions asked of him.

Don't bother responding or answering those questions.I no longer care or respect what your reply may be after your response above. Waste of my time trying to talk to you iow.

Btw, under some circumstances, yes, sometimes I do call every foul when a team is up 30 points. Sometimes I think that you have to. Silly me.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Sep 15th, 2005 at 04:28 PM]

[Jimgolf]

I'm having a hard time picturing 2 white kids calling each other "honky" or "wigga". But, nice try at causing an epiphany.

[Stripes33]

JR, No offense implied in my posting. Just trying to make a point.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Jimgolf
I'm having a hard time picturing 2 white kids calling each other "honky" or "wigga". But, nice try at causing an epiphany.

It is very clear to me that there are many here have never talked to teenagers outside of officiating or do not listen to any music, watch video games or watch MTV or watch a TV show geared towards teens and young adults. If you did, you would not be surprised.

Peace

[Adam]

To me, reading the original post, I'd have a T. I have a lot less tolerance for talk between opponents than I do between teammates. To me, given the context, it looks quite similar to having said, "You gotta move your feet, B1tch!" That gets a T in my game.
Now, the question is whether I would accept a casual tossing of the "n-word" from one black player to a black opponent. At the very least, I'd address it with the coaches at the next dead ball.
I'm not likely to have two teams that are 100% black, and I'm only slightly more likely to get two teams that are 100% white. Unfortunately, we do have to monitor this stuff.

And yes, substituting "boy" for the "n-word" will get the same penalty from me. Any term I recognize will get nailed. If I don't know what it is, I'll have to judge by tone anyway. I'm not concerned if something slips by me, but if I heare one, my conscience would force me to do something.

[Adam]

Originally posted by JRutledge

It is very clear to me that there are many here have never talked to teenagers outside of officiating or do not listen to any music, watch video games or watch MTV or watch a TV show geared towards teens and young adults. If you did, you would not be surprised.

Peace

Busted. I'd never even heard "wigga" before.

[tomegun]

Originally posted by Stripes33
I bet you're one of those guys that also calls every foul when a team is up by 30 points.

That has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

[26 Year Gap]

Busted. I'd never even heard "wigga" before.
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[tomegun]

Rut, I would estimate we are around the same age. I'm also from the midwest. I currently work in an area where it isn't uncommon for me to have a game where everyone in the building is black. I'm a preacher's kid so I've had values instilled in me from day one. I'm in the military so I've heard and seen some of the worst things; came in contact with people from all over the united states.
USING THE "WHERE I'M FROM" LINE WILL NOT WORK WITH ME!

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by tomegun
Rut, I would estimate we are around the same age. I'm also from the midwest. I currently work in an area where it isn't uncommon for me to have a game where everyone in the building is black. I'm a preacher's kid so I've had values instilled in me from day one. I'm in the military so I've heard and seen some of the worst things; came in contact with people from all over the united states.
USING THE "WHERE I'M FROM" LINE WILL NOT WORK WITH ME!

Tommy, I am not trying to convince you of anything. So I personally do not care "what will work with you." I have lived in this world and have family all over the place that would completely disagree with you. I live in a city where people hate one baseball team over another based on where they grew up as a child. These people here will not even support a team that has the same town on the front of their jersey. So what you are convinced of as it relates to this issue and many others is not my concern. I am a College Professor's kid that not only taught African-American Studies but ran a department for over 10 years. I got the opportunity to see many authors that talk about race speak live and in person and met some of the most dynamic people in this country. So what some guy thinks who I have never met and likely will never meet is not my concern.

Peace

[tomegun]

Rut, I, like many others, do not care what you think either. I'm personally just tired of you always spewing negativity about one subject or another and then using that "well you can't do that where I live" bogus line. It's basketball!

It you are so learned in African-American matters, you are a prime example of the fact that book sense does not equate to common sense. It is obvious to me that other members on this board with "life experience" have a better feel for the importance of certain racial than you do without thinking one technical foul in a basketball game is not going to change the world. Sure, it will not change the world, but it will address at least that one instance of what has ignorantly became common verbage. Surely, I hope that your father would feel similar.

I thank the man upstairs for the way I was raised. I know in my heart that I'm not a racist and you helped me prove it again to myself. I dislike ignorance no matter what color it comes in. I hope you don't answer me because I'm going to pray that I won't have anything else to say to you.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by tomegun
I dislike ignorance no matter what color it comes in.

Amen! The same holds true for racial, religious,ethnic or whatever discrimination.