Team Control Foul Signal Sequence

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by tomegun
Dan, do you really know Chuck?

Yes, Dan and I have met at camps. Most recently, just a couple weeks ago, when Dan bailed out on the last two nights in order to ref good games, instead of our AAU excitement.

Chuck, are you saying that you would't call an obvious screen that everyone can see if it happens at the end of a game?

No, I'm not saying that you should pass on an obvious foul. What I am saying is that if you insert yourself into that kind of game at that point in the game, it had better be an obvious foul. That's all. I'm not saying swallow the whistle. I'm saying that everybody should know what you have as soon as the whistle blows. That's all.

[tomegun]

Originally posted by refTN

Ok I just wanted to see your outlook on this. I have experienced alot of these situations, believe it or not. Most all the thoughts that come from my head to these posts were taught and drilled into my brain. I believe I do understand the terminology that I use.

I do this for a living. I have no other job or anything. All I do on days that I am not reffing is reading NCAA and NFHS rulebooks, terminology, tapes, and this forum. Thanks to you guys I have been able to throw out some misconceptions and you guys even got me doubting my mentor sometimes, but that is what I love about this forum. You guys are great even though you never agree with me and say it is because of my "lack of experience" and that is ok because I understand you have to be around a while before you gain acceptance. I can live with that.

I do hope that before my 1000th post that me and someone on this post agree with something that I have said. Maybe I will have my 7th year in by then and can have some kind of experience.

Like I said, what I wrote earlier and what I write in the future is all teaching. I don't believe in learning by yourself and on your own when it comes to officiating. You have to have great teachers, instructors, mentors to do well and be good at this profession. I personally feel I have those.

Well I'm someone that agrees with you this time. When I speak of experience I talk about what goes on during games. You cannot get all the experience you need in 50 or 60 games because there will be something that happens you aren't ready for. A hostile crowd, a bad coach, two bad coaches, a troublesome player and a combination of these and endless other situations makes up your experience. You started this so I will say what I've said before: being able to read a rule book and type does not make someone a good official or one to be looked up to. You must be able to bring it on the court, plain and simple!

[tomegun]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

No, I'm not saying that you should pass on an obvious foul. What I am saying is that if you insert yourself into that kind of game at that point in the game, it had better be an obvious foul. That's all. I'm not saying swallow the whistle. I'm saying that everybody should know what you have as soon as the whistle blows. That's all. [/B][/QUOTE]

OK, you had me worried for a second.

Are you still going to Mickey's camp?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by tomegun
Are you still going to Mickey's camp?

Yeah, how'd you know?

[Mregor]

Quick question, sorry if it has been repeated but I couldn't read all 5 pages of this thread....

Say the lead in 3 person has a TC foul on a push-off in the blocks. What is the proper mechanic for reporting? Does the lead just take a few steps out onto the floor, report, and then handle the throw-in? Or are we supposed to switch? I'm new to 3-person due to my recent move and the only 3-person training I've had is NCAA mens where you just get the ball in play and go the other way without switch. I'm excited about finally getting to work 3-person on a regular basis. Actually, I'm just excited to work again since the move eliminated all summer ball.

Mregor

[Edited by Mregor on Aug 2nd, 2005 at 09:52 PM]

[Love this Game]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mregor
Quick question, sorry if it has been repeated but I couldn't read all 5 pages of this thread....

Say the lead in 3 person has a TC foul on a push-off in the blocks. What is the proper mechanic for reporting? Does the lead just take a few steps out onto the floor, report, and then handle the throw-in? Or are we supposed to switch? I'm new to 3-person due to my recent move and the only 3-person training I've had is NCAA mens where you just get the ball in play and go the other way without switch. I'm excited about finally getting to work 3-person on a regular basis. Actually, I'm just excited to work again since the move eliminated all summer ball.

Mregor

[Edited by Mregor on Aug 2nd, 2005 at 09:52 PM] [/QUOTE

You go table side and report, who ever was table side either to C or T moves down to your spot. Then you sitate yourself to move down teh other end of teh court does that help

[refTN]

Originally posted by tomegun

Well I'm someone that agrees with you this time. When I speak of experience I talk about what goes on during games. You cannot get all the experience you need in 50 or 60 games because there will be something that happens you aren't ready for. A hostile crowd, a bad coach, two bad coaches, a troublesome player and a combination of these and endless other situations makes up your experience. You started this so I will say what I've said before: being able to read a rule book and type does not make someone a good official or one to be looked up to. You must be able to bring it on the court, plain and simple!

Tomegun do you think I can bring it by watching my tape?

[tomegun]

You know what, I just thought about that. I didn't get your tape. Email me with the address you sent it to because I should have had it by now.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Love this Game

You go table side and report, who ever was table side either to C or T moves down to your spot. Then you sitate yourself to move down teh other end of teh court does that help

LTG, are you sure about this? I thought that the FED was going to do away with the switch in the backcourt in 3-whistle games. I don't have the '05-'06 manual yet, so I'm not sure what will happen. I would be mildly surprised if the FED mandates this switch in the backcourt.

[Love this Game]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

LTG, are you sure about this? I thought that the FED was going to do away with the switch in the backcourt in 3-whistle games. I don't have the '05-'06 manual yet, so I'm not sure what will happen. I would be mildly surprised if the FED mandates this switch in the backcourt.

We still switch, no matter what. The reporting official always goes table side.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Mregor
Say the lead in 3 person has a TC foul on a push-off in the blocks. What is the proper mechanic for reporting?

As indicated by the answers above, there are multiple "proper" mechanics for reporting:

1) No long-switch
2) Always switch
3) Switch only if L was opposite the table (so L becomes tableside)

Different areas / different assigners have different preferences.

[ChuckElias]

Bob, won't the FED give us a "proper" mechanic this year?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Bob, won't the FED give us a "proper" mechanic this year?

Probably, but, as Jeff Rutledge posted, many states / local areas change the mechanics somewhat and FED "doesn't care".