time out rule clarification

Camron Rust · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Jun 03, 2005, 10:42pm

Quote:

Originally posted by blindzebra

Quote:

Originally posted by Camron Rust
Any team can call timeout when the ball is dead.

The ball is dead from the moment it passes through the net until the throwin begins. The throwin begins when the throw has the ball in his hands and is in a position to make a legal throw (or has had enough time to do so but is deliberately delaying). This coincides with the start of the 5 second count.

Said another way, the team may call the timeout anytime between the shot and the start of the 5 second count.

The rule says at the disposal 6-1-2.

There is nothing in the rules about being in position to make a throw-in. CB 6.1.2.B and comment.

Once the throwing team has the ball it is too late.

But it's not at their disposal until they have it (or could have had it) in a position to make a throwin. That's the meaning of at the disposal.

Either team can call the timeout until the ball becomes live. When does it become live? When the throwin starts (at the disposoal). When does the 5 second count start? When the throwin starts. Do you start the count the moment the player picks up the ball?

To illustrate that point...

Consider a ball that, after it drops through the net, hits a player in the head and it rolls to the FT line (or even midcourt) where A3 picks it up. A3 walks directly but not quickly to the endline to perform the throwin. Are you suggesting it is too late for team B to have a timeout the moment A3 picks up the ball (20-30' from the endline)? If so, you have also decided the ball is live (that's the only way B can no longer call a timeout). Are you counting 5 seconds? If the ball is live for the throwin, you should be since the only way for the ball to become live is for the throwin to have begun. If you are counting, A3 will only have about 1-2 seconds left by the time he gets OOB.

Do you really think that is what is intended or written?

Common sense and the rules both suggest that your position can't be correct.

The whole purpose behind the "at the disposal" is to prevent a team from ~~deliberately~~ letting the ball roll around at their feet ~~in order to delay~~ causing a delay (let the clock run out, set up a play, rest, etc.) after a made basket when they could easily pick it up and make the throwin.

[Edited by Camron Rust on Jun 5th, 2005 at 05:14 AM]