2-whistle vs. 3-whistle - Page 2

brianp134 · #16 (**permalink**) Fri May 13, 2005, 12:48pm

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Originally posted by tomegun
Money is an issue here (I live in the DC area NOT Nevada anymore ) as well as the third person. Fortunately we have an assigner who will send a 3rd official to a game if needed.

We really can't control the money but we can control the third person. If the U2 is weak and it shows they can easily become the target of the coaches. They complain that there is no reason to have the U2 because they aren't ready for the game anyway. I know for a fact this has been said before by coaches and administration and quite frankly they are often right.

Tommy

Don't talk about me like that!

JRutledge · #17 (**permalink**) Fri May 13, 2005, 01:17pm

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Originally posted by tomegun
Money is an issue here (I live in the DC area NOT Nevada anymore ) as well as the third person. Fortunately we have an assigner who will send a 3rd official to a game if needed.

We really can't control the money but we can control the third person. If the U2 is weak and it shows they can easily become the target of the coaches. They complain that there is no reason to have the U2 because they aren't ready for the game anyway. I know for a fact this has been said before by coaches and administration and quite frankly they are often right.

Maybe they are "right" where you are, that is not the case in many situations where I live. The coaches just use that as an excuse to get rid of a system that they neither understand or that they are not used to. There even was a conference (which had no business getting rid of 3 person) used the excuse that officials were not "talking to them" and explaining calls. This was before the change was for the calling official to go table side. Well this conference decided to keep 3 Person before last season (they were informed about the new mechanic).

The other factors to this are our state playoff is all 3 Person in Girls and Boys. It is required for all officials wanting to work playoffs to attend a 6 hour clinic, which includes classroom and floor evaluation. It is also required that officials to keep their license attend an IHSA certified clinic every 3 years. You do not have to attend a 6 hour clinic to keep their license by the way, but a 6 hour clinic does fulfill the state requirement. That has made much more consistency and helped across the state. I do not know if all areas do this, but it sure has helped us here.

Peace

South GA BBall Ref · #18 (**permalink**) Fri May 13, 2005, 04:44pm

Give me 3 or give me death. Maybe not that extreme, but give me nothing!

tomegun · #19 (**permalink**) Fri May 13, 2005, 08:49pm

My comments do NOT apply to areas I haven't been. It is almost as ridiculous for me to have to say that as it is for someone to constantly put "that may be the case where you live but......."

Can anyone who makes comments that describe what goes on everywhere raise there hand?

Now that we have that bit of business out of the way we can continue with different people from different areas using the internet to discuss basketball where they live.

W O W !!

Mark Dexter · #20 (**permalink**) Fri May 13, 2005, 09:57pm

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Originally posted by JRutledge
It is pretty common for the table personnel here to be paid much more than the officials.

In football it has become a running joke with the chain crew. For varsity games we use 5 officials. In many cases we might work two games on a Friday or Saturday varsity date. At the most HS official working a double header in football might get $95. In some cases you might not make $90 based on the conference. When we talk to the chain crew and ask them what they make they say "$100."

Switch back to basketball and the table personnel. They might make $60 each or some other outrageous number above what the officials (who do all the running) make and then they come back and complain that give us a $2 raise is too much. And sometimes these are employees of the school district that get paid on top of what they already make.

Peace

Wow!! Even if that $100 is split among the entire chain crew, it's pretty good.

$60 bucks for the scorebook for a high school varsity game??? I'm moving to Illinois - I don't even make that much for the D-I games I do!

drothamel · #21 (**permalink**) Sat May 14, 2005, 11:52am

I have worked a 3-whistle game with a weak one weak partner before. In fact, due to an injury on our crew, I worked a varsity game with one guy who was in his first year and hadn't done anything except middle and JV. Even wtih that, 3-whistle is way better than 2. Coaches don't like it because the players can't get away with quite as much, which is why I like it.

brianp134 · #22 (**permalink**) Sat May 14, 2005, 09:23pm

I would prefer a 3-whistle game anyday. It saves the legs and you must also learn to trust your partners more. Some of our varsity games are 3-whistle, but I am hoping in the near future all varsity games will be 3-whistle.

ChrisSportsFan · #23 (**permalink**) Sat May 14, 2005, 10:53pm

Quote:

Originally posted by tomegun
My comments do NOT apply to areas I haven't been. It is almost as ridiculous for me to have to say that as it is for someone to constantly put "that may be the case where you live but......."

Can anyone who makes comments that describe what goes on everywhere raise there hand?

Now that we have that bit of business out of the way we can continue with different people from different areas using the internet to discuss basketball where they live.

W O W !!

Is that how you would like things to be stated where you live? :-)

Camron Rust · #24 (**permalink**) Sun May 15, 2005, 03:15am

Quote:

Originally posted by tomegun
My comments do NOT apply to areas I haven't been. It is almost as ridiculous for me to have to say that as it is for someone to constantly put "that may be the case where you live but......."

Can anyone who makes comments that describe what goes on everywhere raise there hand?

Now that we have that bit of business out of the way we can continue with different people from different areas using the internet to discuss basketball where they live.

W O W !!

Yes, things are different around the USA but they're not that different.

tomegun · #25 (**permalink**) Sun May 15, 2005, 02:16pm

Camron, I know. Those statements were not directed for most if you know what I mean.

Camron Rust · #26 (**permalink**) Sun May 15, 2005, 05:07pm

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Originally posted by tomegun
Camron, I know. Those statements were not directed for most if you know what I mean.

Gotcha...was getting little sleepy and missed your point!

BktBallRef · #27 (**permalink**) Sun May 15, 2005, 05:14pm

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Originally posted by drothamel
Does anyone think that we will see more states move entirely to 3-whistle in the near future. And out of curiosity, for those who do use 2-whistle, what do you think about it?

What's 2-whistle?

Wait, I know! I think that's what we use for middle school games.

refnrev · #28 (**permalink**) Sun May 22, 2005, 10:59pm

Around here V boys are 3 whistle, but the girls are still 2. Anything under V is always 2. I'm sure it all has to do with money.

LouisianaDave · #29 (**permalink**) Tue May 24, 2005, 06:46am

Here in LA, there are a few districts that use 3 whistle but the majority is 2 whistle, and the reason is money. We are trying to get Baton Rouge coaches to go for 3whistle but they are reluctant. As for the table crews they dont get paid much, but as an Assoc. we are trying to get paid as much as the security gets paid. That is our biggest complaint.

Junker · #30 (**permalink**) Tue May 24, 2005, 08:34am

Iowa is going 3 whistle for the tournament in 2006 and from the sounds of it they're starting to train everyone to go 3 soon. We're all crossing our fingers. Problems here seem to be selling some schools on the extra cost and finding enough officials in some areas. I have no proof or anything, but it seems that are some 2 man crews that are reluctant to learn 3 whistle.