You make the call! - Page 2

RookieDude · #16 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 02:27pm

This is a good clip BBR.

Of course we have the luxury of seeing this play over and over...and in slow motion if we choose.

Could be palming by rule...obviously close.

Having said that...would you as an official rather miss this call by blowing the whistle?
Or would you as an official rather miss this call with a "no-call"?

Ball coming across the division line...
D-1 game...I'm going to error on the side of a no-call.

ref18 · #17 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 02:37pm

Quote:

Originally posted by RookieDude
This is a good clip BBR.

Of course we have the luxury of seeing this play over and over...and in slow motion if we choose.

Could be palming by rule...obviously close.

Having said that...would you as an official rather miss this call by blowing the whistle?
Or would you as an official rather miss this call with a "no-call"?

Ball coming across the division line...
D-1 game...I'm going to error on the side of a no-call.

I'd call it, showboating can only get you so far.

brandan89 · #18 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 02:40pm

I would call it.

rainmaker · #19 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 03:54pm

I'd call it in high school. It seems to me that the laws of physics would make this move impossible without palming.

stick · #20 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 03:57pm

NO

Rar · #21 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 03:58pm

Dick Vitale sucks..that's all I have to add to this discussion.

TriggerMN · #22 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 04:23pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
I'd call it in high school. It seems to me that the laws of physics would make this move impossible without palming.

Well, yeah, in a girls game.

thumpferee · #23 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 04:35pm

I have a question and a comment.

The question: Where is the picture of the squirrel with the big nuts?

The comment: My nuts aren't that BIG to call that!

Props to the official, definate carry!

JMO

JugglingReferee · #24 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 07:03pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ref18
...his license plate "AL 54"

Nice! I'm thinking about changing my plate actually.

Currently, it has the Star Trek logo on it, from my old University days (yes, I've had the car that long) when I was a trekkie.

My new idea: nothing except the numerals 8 and 5, side by side.

JugglingReferee · #25 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 07:24pm

Quote:

Originally posted by JugglingReferee
I slowed the play down to slow motion and the point at which the dribble ends has the right foot as the pivot poot. The next dribble was released before that same right foot returned to the floor. In my mind, there is no travel there. You could have a double dribble.

Also in the slo-mo, it did look like a palming violation to me. I think that the defender being tricked by the play may have had an impact on the official's ruling.

I went back to look at it again. I incorrectly said that the right foot was the pivot foot. It was the left.

Quote:

Originally posted by ref18
Mike, as 4-43-3-c "After establishing a pivot foot, the pivot foot bay not be lifted before the ball is released, to start a dribble"

So when the next dribble was released before the pivot foot returned to the floor it would be a travel.

The next dribble has to be released before the pivot foot leaves the floor.

So there's 3 things that could've been called here, travel, illegal dribble, or carrying.

Julian, your text does not apply to the conclusion that I came to based on the video. I ruled that the player took two steps in between dribbles, which is legal.

I also came to the new conclusion that the foot was released before the next dribble was started. Therefore, calling a double dribble violation could only exist if one ignored the travel. I think that a double dribble, by definition, is the wrong call. Why would you ignore the travel but call a double dribble?

ref18 · #26 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 07:54pm

Quote:

Originally posted by JugglingReferee

Quote:

Originally posted by ref18
...his license plate "AL 54"

Nice! I'm thinking about changing my plate actually.

Currently, it has the Star Trek logo on it, from my old University days (yes, I've had the car that long) when I was a trekkie.

My new idea: nothing except the numerals 8 and 5, side by side.

Is 85 available??

You gave up being a trekkie?? Why would you want to do that, Star Trek is classic

Now, today after my games one of the assistant coaches compared me to the referees of your hometown. I just don't know whether it's a compliment or an insult.

ref18 · #27 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 07:56pm

Quote:

Originally posted by JugglingReferee

I also came to the new conclusion that the foot was released before the next dribble was started. Therefore, calling a double dribble violation could only exist if one ignored the travel. I think that a double dribble, by definition, is the wrong call. Why would you ignore the travel but call a double dribble?

I like the new conclusion

JugglingReferee · #28 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 08:02pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ref18
Now, today after my games one of the assistant coaches compared me to the referees of your hometown. I just don't know whether it's a compliment or an insult.

Sounds like a winner. I wish I had him.

Mark Dexter · #29 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 12, 2005, 10:04pm

Definately a carrying violation. When they show the angle from above the backboard, it's obvious - the ball is resting in the (former) dribbler's hand, not moving, as he brings it across his back. *TWEET*

rainmaker · #30 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 13, 2005, 01:30am

Quote:

Originally posted by TriggerMN

Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
I'd call it in high school. It seems to me that the laws of physics would make this move impossible without palming.

Well, yeah, in a girls game.

What are you saying? Physics are different in a boys' game?