Another Backcourt Question. Sorry!

[SamIAm]

I guess it is possible to start dribbling in the backcourt then hop all the way to the baseline and back to the backcourt (still hopping) within 10 seconds. But then you still have to make back into the front court before that same 10 second count ends. Heaven help you if someone starts guarding you anywhere in the scenario. I don't see much of a risk in that happening within a 10 second count. I'll try it next time I have the opportunity and report back.

By the way I tried repeating the steps in the orginal sitch. It isn't easy to step forward with your back foot while reversing a dribble.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by SamIAm

I will call it(a 10-second violation) whenever he/she hops back to the backcourt.

First, it's an assinine play. Don't know why we're even discussing it.

Second, when he's hopping and dribbling in the FC, he's in the FC.

Thrid, if he hops back into the BC, you have a BC violation, not a 10 second violation.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Jan 31st, 2005 at 06:51 PM]

[DownTownTonyBrown]

Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
Ball and one foot are in frontcourt.

Last foot goes into frontcourt.

Next dribble of the ball is in backcourt.

Tony/BBR How is that not a BC violation?

Did I read this differently than you did?

But why was the original scenario not a BC violation. What did I read different from you?

[SamIAm]

I agree an assinine play, but I can back up a 10 second count violation by rule.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by SamIAm
I agree an assinine play, but I can back up a 10 second count violation by rule.

You wrote, "You can dribble all the way to the baseline and back in to the backcourt while hopping on one foot if you were dribbling when you crossed the halfcourt line."

So, you're telling me that if a player hops on one foot, while dribbling the basketball, crosses the division line, hops to the endline, you can call a 10 second violation if he doesn't put his other foot on the floor in the FC?

You're nuts.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by SamIAm
I agree an assinine play, but I can back up a 10 second count violation by rule.

Yep. And by rule you can judge that a player holding the ball and hopping on the non-pivot foot all over the front court is legal.

The finite words in the rules don't specifically cover the infinite possibilities -- some common sense is needed. Unfortunately, common sense ain't so common.

[SamIAm]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

You wrote, "You can dribble all the way to the baseline and back in to the backcourt while hopping on one foot if you were dribbling when you crossed the halfcourt line."

So, you're telling me that if a player hops on one foot, while dribbling the basketball, crosses the division line, hops to the endline, you can call a 10 second violation if he doesn't put his other foot on the floor in the FC?

You're nuts.

I'm nuts? You are the one asking me for clarifications on a play you said was assinine, I agreed it was assinine and listed a farfetched play where it could happen, but never will.
In the original FARFETCHED-ASSININE play where I described the dribbler hopping around, I posted I would blow my whistle once the dribbler returned to the backcourt.
Either way that is a violation, be it BC or 10-Second.
Man I wish I knew who originally post that scenario on this forum!

I did not post nor would I actually call a violation for your post So, you're telling me that if a player hops on one foot, while dribbling the basketball, crosses the division line, hops to the endline, you can call a 10 second violation if he doesn't put his other foot on the floor in the FC?, in fact that sounds like a bit of
mis-information that should not be posted on this board.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by SamIAm
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So, you're telling me that if a player hops on one foot, while dribbling the basketball, crosses the division line, hops to the endline, you can call a 10 second violation if he doesn't put his other foot on the floor in the FC?

[/B][/QUOTE]Legal, as long as he can rub his stomach counter-clockwise at the same time. Rule 11-1-3.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

Yep. And by rule you can judge that a player holding the ball and hopping on the non-pivot foot all over the front court is legal.

I'd disagree with that one. When a player hops (read jumps), it is a travel:

"If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal."

However, the backcourt status while hopping is, while it will never occur, correct. The 3-pionts rule is pretty specific that the dribbling player is in the backcourt until both feet (and the ball) touch in the frontcourt.