0 or 00

[FrankHtown]

If I was the opposing coach, and saw what happened, I'd be upset if you DIDN'T call the T. A practice here in Houston for Varsity Games is let both the coachs check the official book, and initial that all numbers and names are correct. That takes the onus of being the "bad guy" off of the refs. If there is a "clerical" error, the coach has a chance to correct it. If the coach doesn't, and a bookkeeping Technical is called, the referees are merely enforcing the rules, not being "ticky-tack."

[refnrev]

This is a bit off subject but related. I've seen it done both ways and have found myself at times doing to both ways. Team A has a player with #3 and one with #33. 3 gets the foul. When you report it do you say and signal, "Gold 3" or say and signal "Gold 03?" People at the table sometimes forget to pay attention and get confused about how many threes they heard.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Clark,
I agree with your reasoning and called the T. First time that I have ever started a game with a T.

I'm just looking for feedback from others. I wanted to see if the prevailing opinion was overwhelming one way or the other.

I wouldn't have done this, not in a million years.

[mj]

No T from me.

[refnrev]

I'd pass on the T in this one.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by refnrev
This is a bit off subject but related. I've seen it done both ways and have found myself at times doing to both ways. Team A has a player with #3 and one with #33. 3 gets the foul. When you report it do you say and signal, "Gold 3" or say and signal "Gold 03?" People at the table sometimes forget to pay attention and get confused about how many threes they heard.

I never would say "0-3" when reporting. If the scorer cannot pay attention and get that right, then they do not need to be there. They need to give you all their attention until you report the number. If they are confused by that, then maybe they need to watch the game instead of trying to participate in the game. Believe me, I will not have to be the one that makes that decision when the give a foul to the wrong player in a big game.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

No T.

[brianp134]

No "T" from me.

[FrankHtown]

I still disagree. If a player is listed as 4 in the book, and he/she comes on the floor with 40, are we going to give them a pass? "All we're doing is adding a zero." Again, if I was the offended coach, i'd be screaming for the T.

[RookieDude]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Mathmaticians have at it, as to weather they are whole numbers, odd, even, proper, etc.

2)There are 40 different numbers between 4 and 44.

[/B]

1) Mr. Language Person says that the correct word is "whether".

2) Mr. Mathematics Person says that there are 39 different numbers between 4 and 44, not 40.

3) JR says that he agrees with you on the way that you said that you would have handled this one. [/B][/QUOTE]

Dam...Jr...give me a brake. I wuz working the nite shift.
Besides, "I ref better then I spell" or add.

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by FrankHtown
I still disagree. If a player is listed as 4 in the book, and he/she comes on the floor with 40, are we going to give them a pass? "All we're doing is adding a zero." Again, if I was the offended coach, i'd be screaming for the T.

You could scream all you want to, you still wouldn't be getting that T...and going from 4 to 4o is definitley not the same as going from 0 to 00...

[FrankHtown]

Well, then, as a coach, I'd guess I'd be respectfully asking the assigned referees, what other rules we'd be suspending that game, so I could inform my players.

[Kelvin green]

No T from me.

If you read the exact semantics of the rule there may be a call here. But the others are right if 4 shows up as 04...
Mark is right about the computer aspects..

Here is a more likely scenario.... The team uses software to generate a line-up , hand it to the book,
it shows 02, 03, 04, 05, 10, 11, 12, 22, 23, 33.
(using much of database software,if they did not put the zeroes in it would sort, 1,10,11,12,13,2,22,23,24,3,4,5...

Now riddle me this batman! So if they report 04 and it is in the book as 04 because that was what was copied down Would you give them a T?

If they were using an (approved by State association)computer scorekeeping system and they entered the numbers using the leading 0, would you call a T? the number in the book is 04, but he is wearing 4...

If you cant have 0 and 00 on the floor at the same time and mathematically they are the same number...

Why go looking for T's?

If it were me no way no how!

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by FrankHtown
Well, then, as a coach, I'd guess I'd be respectfully asking the assigned referees, what other rules we'd be suspending that game, so I could inform my players.

How is this suspending the rules? Do you have any ruling that suggests otherwise? Do you have something in the casebook that makes it clear how to interpret this situation? If you do not, then the Referee has the right to rule anyway they see fit without a specific reference to this play. I know if someone spells a name wrong and switches around some letters by mistake, I am not going to T up the team because I see the name on the back of the jersey is spelled differently. You can only have one of these numbers. It is not in the spirit of the rules to give a T when someone clearly made a mistake. If you think that is bad, then I guess we should T up every coach that step a foot outside of the coaching box no matter what. This to me is the very same thing.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by FrankHtown
Well, then, as a coach, I'd guess I'd be respectfully asking the assigned referees, what other rules we'd be suspending that game, so I could inform my players.

And if I was the assigned referee, I would smile at you, say "That's a good one, coach" and then go toss the ball to start the game...