The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 01:08pm
certified Hot Mom tester
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: only in my own mind, such as it is
Posts: 12,918
Exclamation

In a game on Saturday, A1 launches a 3 pointer. It hits the front of the rim, goes up and bounces on the top of the backboard then comes down through the basket. I am trail. I signal good. Coach B comes unglued. He insists the top of the backboard is OOB. I tell him I have a rulebook and would he like to bet. If I lose, I'll give him $100. If he loses, he has to go out into the middle of the court and bow down to me and apologize in front of everyone. He doesn't bet.

After the game, some guy who was standing near the endline comes up to me and my partner and says the ball hit the support on that shot. I ask my partner, who was lead right under the basket and looked up at the time, and he says no. I tell the guy "no". He says we could ask at least 30 people who saw it. I tell him this isn't a democracy. He stares for a moment then leaves.
__________________
Yom HaShoah
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 01:21pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,988
Quote:
Originally posted by Mark Padgett

I ask my partner, who was lead right under the basket and looked up at the time, and he says no.
Why was your partner looking up??

Quote:
I tell the guy "no". He says we could ask at least 30 people who saw it. I tell him this isn't a democracy. He stares for a moment then leaves.
LMFAO
__________________
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 03:58pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,158
A little curious as to why the lead wouldn't look up to make the call ? Lead has the position to make that call. Since the ball is along the endline would that not be the Leads call ? I am a newby and made this call the other night, Only difference is ball grazed off support I whistled it OOB. No way Trail could have seen that it grazed support. Just looking for discussion and feedback as usual.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 04:43pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 412
Lead does not have primary responsibilty to make that call. However, if for whatever reason lead happens to see it hit a support and it's the RIGHT CALL, then lead can step up and call it.
__________________
There's a fine line between "hobby", and mental illness.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 06:55pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 13
ball didnt hit upright

y did u not make the spectator the same bet u made coach except to watch tape for hitting the support
__________________
only dumb questions are those not ask! well................
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 09:09pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 737
Thumbs down

The next time my lead blows a play dead in a halfcourt set for the ball either hitting the support or going over the backboard is going to be the last time I ever work with that guy.

It's not just that one call...what he's telling me is he's not going to watch his primary area. I'm not going to be the sucker who gets hung by the coaches because A2 punches B2 right in front of my partner while he's deciding if the clouds looks like bunnies or lambs.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 09:49pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,158
TriggerMN

Well i am a 1st year ref-so haven't quite hit perfection . We probably would not work together since I am new and you are not. Another question would be then so it's better to get the call wrong than maybe miss something-i stated there was no way my partner could have gotten this call. And what would you tell the coach ?
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 09:55pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,988
I'd rather you miss the out of bounds and call the illegal box out then miss the illegal box out, have the player knocked to the gound and the coach screaming and call the out of bounds. Just my opinion.

Although I know that this is one of the hardest things to do, I want to follow the shot, this was one of my goals for this season, to watch the rebounding action as lead instead of following the shot, and it's amazing the things I'm calling now because I'm seeing them.
__________________
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 10:04pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 737
Chess-->

You have to live and die with your trail on this one. As lead, you have far too many responsibilites on a shot attempt to worry about whether or not the ball hit the support. 99% of varsity coaches are knowledgeable enough to know that this is the trail's call all the way.

For younger refs doing rec ball, a good way from keeping yourself looking up is to wear a baseball cap. When your eyes start to wander, you're going to first see the brim of your cap, which should be a quick reminder to get your eyes back where they belong.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 10:27pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,910
Quote:
Originally posted by Chess Ref
A little curious as to why the lead wouldn't look up to make the call ? Lead has the position to make that call. Since the ball is along the endline would that not be the Leads call ? I am a newby and made this call the other night, Only difference is ball grazed off support I whistled it OOB. No way Trail could have seen that it grazed support. Just looking for discussion and feedback as usual.
If you're looking up at the basket support, who is watching the rebounding action in your primary?

Z
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 10:35pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,988
Quote:
Originally posted by TriggerMN


For younger refs doing rec ball, a good way from keeping yourself looking up is to wear a baseball cap. When your eyes start to wander, you're going to first see the brim of your cap, which should be a quick reminder to get your eyes back where they belong.
If I wore a hat when doing rec ball the evaluator would have a heart attack. The thing that really keeps me focused on the rebounding action are the non-glass backboards. The ones I can't see through. I look up and realize I can't see the ball so I don't look up as much.
__________________
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 10:42pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: N.D.
Posts: 1,829
Quote:
Originally posted by Mark Padgett
In a game on Saturday, A1 launches a 3 pointer. It hits the front of the rim, goes up and bounces on the top of the backboard then comes down through the basket. I am trail. I signal good. Coach B comes unglued. He insists the top of the backboard is OOB. I tell him I have a rulebook and would he like to bet. If I lose, I'll give him $100. If he loses, he has to go out into the middle of the court and bow down to me and apologize in front of everyone. He doesn't bet.

After the game, some guy who was standing near the endline comes up to me and my partner and says the ball hit the support on that shot. I ask my partner, who was lead right under the basket and looked up at the time, and he says no. I tell the guy "no". He says we could ask at least 30 people who saw it. I tell him this isn't a democracy. He stares for a moment then leaves.
In my 30 years of BB I have never heard of the lead looking up and I NEVER make bets with coaches. I consider that kind of talk uprofessional, IMHO.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 10:45pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,557
Quote:
Originally posted by Forksref
Quote:
Originally posted by Mark Padgett
In a game on Saturday, A1 launches a 3 pointer. It hits the front of the rim, goes up and bounces on the top of the backboard then comes down through the basket. I am trail. I signal good. Coach B comes unglued. He insists the top of the backboard is OOB. I tell him I have a rulebook and would he like to bet. If I lose, I'll give him $100. If he loses, he has to go out into the middle of the court and bow down to me and apologize in front of everyone. He doesn't bet.

After the game, some guy who was standing near the endline comes up to me and my partner and says the ball hit the support on that shot. I ask my partner, who was lead right under the basket and looked up at the time, and he says no. I tell the guy "no". He says we could ask at least 30 people who saw it. I tell him this isn't a democracy. He stares for a moment then leaves.
In my 30 years of BB I have never heard of the lead looking up and I NEVER make bets with coaches. I consider that kind of talk uprofessional, IMHO.
lol, I save the betting for recball but I have been known to offer bets, no coach has ever bet me. :/
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 10:50pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,158
I give

Allright. I promise to make staying in my primary the focus for the rest of the season, Which is about 15 games. This truly what I like about this board-no mercy-heck i even tried to drum up sympathy about being a 1st year ref, to no avail. thanks for the correction in my thinking. LOL Mike
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 23, 2005, 11:26pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,910
Re: I give

Quote:
Originally posted by Chess Ref
Allright. I promise to make staying in my primary the focus for the rest of the season, Which is about 15 games. This truly what I like about this board-no mercy-heck i even tried to drum up sympathy about being a 1st year ref, to no avail. thanks for the correction in my thinking. LOL Mike
LOL. With a great attitude like that, you're already well ahead of most of the other first year refs.

Z
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:04pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1