Ron Artest

[JRutledge]

JR,

You crack me up man!!



Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Uh no, actually this board could give a sh*t less about your or your crap. Go away. If it'll make you feel better, when you're calling Rut names over on the General Forum, you can call me a few too. It's what you do best.

Pretty clear who the real men and the wannabes are around here, eh?

How will you be able to live with yourself after shying away from an internet discussion board challenge???

Your membership to the "Keyboard Kommando Unit of the Basement Dwelling Losers Club" has been revoked!

[WindyCityBlue]

Yes, I thought you would be a bigger xxxxx than the guy who threw the beer. What a coward!


This post has not been ignored.

[Edited by mick on Nov 22nd, 2004 at 05:49 PM]

[JRutledge]

Wow,

You called someone a p@@@y for not talking you on in an internet forum?

Man, you must really be a tough guy? Remind me to be scared of you when you walk down the street. NOOOOTTTTTTT!!!!

Peace

[Indy_Ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Hmmmmm, I just checked the tape again that I linked above. It clearly shows O'Neal off the court, fighting, about half-way through it. [/QUOTE]

No, that's O'Neal getting escorted off the court.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Indy_Ref

Hmmmmm, I just checked the tape again that I linked above. It clearly shows O'Neal off the court, fighting, about half-way through it.

No, that's O'Neal getting escorted off the court. [/QUOTE]

You need to look at the tape.

O'Neal hit a guy that came onto the court. He also went up into the stands to get protect his teammate and really did not hit anybody there until he was attacked from behind. Sorry, O'Neal was also escorted after the situation, but it was for mostly with fans coming onto the court.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Indy_Ref
I wonder what you would do if you were working a 3-person crew, things got hectic, and one of your crew members was attacked. If you aren't going to come to the rescue and try to help, I think you're crew members ought to know...because they may not want to work with you anymore.

You're exactly right. I would come to the rescue and try to help. I would not run over and start pounding on the guy. That's exactly what SOME of the Pacers did when they went into the stands.

So let's not be so blind as to define what O'Neal did as rescuing.

You can like it or not, Stern gave these guys what they had coming to them. It's a done deal.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by BktBallRef


You're exactly right. I would come to the rescue and try to help. I would not run over and start pounding on the guy. That's exactly what SOME of the Pacers did when they went into the stands.

I do not think what any of us would do is relevant to this discussion. I agree they deserved suspension, but when many player that were suspended beside Artest, Jackson and O'Neal.

But for folks to say they would walk away if someone throws any object in your face or a friend of yours is in a fight you would just not do anything, is a bit much. I know that if I threw something at someone (liquid or an object) to a complete stranger, I would expect them to come at me and do something. And if they were with friends, I would expect their friends to get involved as well.

I think it is easy to say after seeing the tape, considering who was involved and expect we would do something totally different. I know as an official is someone came at me on the court and starting hitting me, it would be very difficult for me to not strike back. It would depend on who is around and how threatened I would feel at that time. Of course I would like to think I would just turn the other way, but I know I cannot say that with 100% certainty.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by JRutledge

I do not think what any of us would do is relevant to this discussion. I agree they deserved suspension, but when many player that were suspended beside Artest, Jackson and O'Neal.

It's not relevant. But IndyRef asked me what I would do in that situation. Then he tried to tell me that O'Neal was "rescuing" Artest. That was BS.

[RookieDude]

Just a thought:

Lets say a bunch of employees at your place of employment got into an argument at the water fountain, coffee pot, or cafeteria.

Someone throws a liquid in another person's face...a brawl results.

I gotta tell ya...the people involved in the fight, (not the ones trying to break it up), the people actually swinging and hitting people...these people could only HOPE for just a day off without pay.

I don't know where you guys work...but at my place of employment, if someone decks another employee or customer that person will receive a "lifetime ban". Read FIRED!

So, IMO, these guys got off easy. One day to one year...that's laughable in the real world.

BTW...the fans involved, in the trespassing onto the court, should also receive the "lifetime ban"...IMO.

[JRutledge]

Rookie Dude,

This is the real world. These players cannot be fired from a contract, without having to pay all the remaining parts of that contract and penalties. Most people outside of sports do not have a contract that spans over years and years. And if you do, the people that decide not to honor the remaining part of that contract will have to pay something to get out of that contract. Unfortunately most of us are not under contract for millions of dollars to have that kind of protection.

But if you are in a union and someone fights with you at your work place, there are also several protections that you might have to save your job. Depending on the circumstances of the events, you could and would keep your job.

Lastly, the Pacers who actually employ these players are not taking a position that their players did much wrong here. They are supporting their players and feel that the actions of the fans are to blame. Remember this is the league suspending the players, not the Pacers.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by BktBallRef


It's not relevant. But IndyRef asked me what I would do in that situation. Then he tried to tell me that O'Neal was "rescuing" Artest. That was BS.

Well the great thing about this place or this country is that we can disagree. I consider O'Neal coming to the aid of his teammate and friend and blame him little for his actions.

Not everyone thinks that is BS.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by JRutledge
Well the great thing about this place or this country is that we can disagree. I consider O'Neal coming to the aid of his teammate and friend and blame him little for his actions.

Not everyone thinks that is BS.

Peace

Well, it may not be BS to everyone but it's d@mn sure a multimillion dollar mistake, a mistake I bet he never makes again.

When it's all said and done, we can agree or disagree. But his a$$ will still be sitting home for the next 25 games.

[JRutledge]

Tony,

I am sure that crossed their mind when things were getting out of hand.

Peace

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Have you seen the films of today's South Carolina/Clemson game yet? Geeze, you go to a college football game and a pro basketball game breaks out.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!