Question #18

[cyoreferee]

Contact after the ball is dead is ignored, unless it is after a throw-in begins.

What's the correct answer?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by BushRef

Maybe.

Maybe???? What kind of an answer is that? Let's give the guy some real help. That's what we're here for.

The correct answer is "perhaps".

[Jurassic Referee]

Sometimes.

[Jurassic Referee]

The correct answer is "false".

Which leads to the question "why?".

[cyoreferee]

The answer I get from most is false, but the question in how it is phrased makes no logical sense.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by cyoreferee
The answer I get from most is false, but the question in how it is phrased makes no logical sense.

The ball becomes live on a throw-in when it is at the disposal of the thrower.The question, though certainly not ideally phrased, is asking whether you should ignore physical contact between the time the ball first became dead and the time that it becomes live again. The correct answer is "false", and the rules reference is R4-19-1NOTE.

Btw, welcome to the forum.

[Snake~eyes]

I put false.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by cyoreferee
Contact after the ball is dead is ignored, unless it is after a throw-in begins.

What's the correct answer?

OK - here's a real answer. The statement is false because it has an incorrect component. For the statement to be true, it would have to read as follows:

"Contact after the ball is dead is ignored, unless it is intentional and/or flagrant."

The test part of the question is to find out if you know when you can call a contact foul during a dead ball - it really doesn't have anything to do with your understanding of throw-ins.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

OK - here's a real answer. The statement is false because it has an incorrect component. For the statement to be true, it would have to read as follows:

"Contact after the ball is dead is ignored, unless it is intentional and/or flagrant."

The test part of the question is to find out if you know when you can call a contact foul during a dead ball - it really doesn't have anything to do with your understanding of throw-ins.

Exactly why I put false.

[Lotto]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
"Contact after the ball is dead is ignored, unless it is intentional and/or flagrant."

There's one situation I can think of where you can have a common personal foul during a dead ball. Airborne shooter A1, after the ball has passed through the basket, crashes into B1. This could be a block or charge even if not intentional and/or flagrant.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Lotto

There's one situation I can think of where you can have a common personal foul during a dead ball. Airborne shooter A1, after the ball has passed through the basket, crashes into B1. This could be a block or charge even if not intentional and/or flagrant.

Mark left a few words out. The entire cite for NFHS R4-19-1NOTE says- "Contact after the ball is dead is ignored, unless it is ruled intentional and/or flagrant or is committed by or on an airborne shooter".

[IREFU2]

The answer is false. 4-19-1 (Note)

ART. 1 . . . A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements. A personal foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead.
NOTE: Contact after the ball has become dead is ignored unless it is ruled intentional or flagrant or is committed by or on an airborne shooter.

Hope this helps!

I marked number 18 false, along with everyone else in both associations that I work in. Love it when there's an unanimous consensus!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Mark left a few words out. The entire cite for NFHS R4-19-1NOTE says- "Contact after the ball is dead is ignored, unless it is ruled intentional and/or flagrant or is committed by or on an airborne shooter".

I was thinking of our local men's senior rec league. There are no airborne shooters there because no one can jump anymore.