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No guessing allowed according to the rules covering this one. [/B][/QUOTE] Definite does not equal precise. What you are describing is precise information. If you know for sure that it took more than 10 seconds but not sure how much more, you have definite knowledge to allow you to take 10 seconds off the clock. You stop at 10 because you don't have further knowledge. You're not guessing, you're calculating based on basic actions. This is not much different than the 0.3 seconds on a catch and shoot. There are certain actions that take a minimum amount of time to execute. If you have no clue, of course you can't take anything off.
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