Aaarrgh!!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by SMEngmann

As for the net, I can easily grab it myself or, if necessary, use the ball, but I simply ask one of the players to take care of it for me on the remote chance that something embarrassing could happen (torn net, net won't come down, etc). We already have enough on our plates without dealing with the nets.

Chuck's point actually was "do you stop the game to get the net down, or do you wait until the next natural whistle?". It's a good point, and it always provokes some great arguments for and against.

[ChuckElias]

JR got my point. I don't care how you get the net down, as long as you don't stop the clock to do it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
JR got my point. I don't care how you get the net down, as long as you don't stop the clock to do it.

And, for the record, I agree with Chuck.

[devdog69]

Originally posted by SMEngmann
The way I read it, the violation was called and that sparked the argument. I do think preventative officiating may have helped in this case given the prior game, but again, I wasn't there so I don't know the whole circumstances.

As for the net, I can easily grab it myself or, if necessary, use the ball, but I simply ask one of the players to take care of it for me on the remote chance that something embarrassing could happen (torn net, net won't come down, etc). We already have enough on our plates without dealing with the nets.

I did not call the violation. The level was high school girls. As far as the mechanics, this type of tournament requires about 18-20 games over the weekend so if I can begin walking up the court and save my legs I would often be ahead of the play as long as there wasn't pressure. So, you leave the net up if it gets caught??

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by devdog69

Sitch: Team A makes a basket. Team B player takes the ball after it goes through the hoop sets it down on the baseline and bends over and proceeds to tie her shoe. I give it a few seconds and begin walking up the court (summer ball mechanic). I'm about even with the free-throw line extended when I start a five second count. He flips out, literally screaming that it is my job to stop the clock and let her tie her shoe.

TWEEEET

"Timeout B! Called by Coach B."

Now you've granted his request to stop the clock so his player can tie her shoe.

[mick]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
JR got my point. I don't care how you get the net down, as long as you don't stop the clock to do it.

Chuck,
Abiding for your guiding, I get a wish because of that swish.
mick

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by mick
Chuck,
Abiding for your guiding, I get a wish because of that swish.

Judging from the "disappointed" subject heading, I'm not going to like it; but could I get an English translation of your last post?

[mick]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Judging from the "disappointed" subject heading, I'm not going to like it; but could I get an English translation of your last post?

Chuck,
You said don't stop the clock, but get the net down.
I'm thinking, "Fine, Chuck knows."
I asked how.
You said you don't care how, "just do it".
....
....
.... Duh! I just figgered out what you meant, throw a Nike at it.

mick

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by devdog69
Just let me add that I will always delay putting the ball in play for a player to tie their shoe, but I have never stopped play for it, not even a player who loses their shoe, unless I think it could be a safety issue.

Prior to the 1963-64 season, National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada (NBCUSC) Rules (the predessor ot the NFHS and NCAA rules committees) allowed game officials to stop the game or to prevent a dead ball from becoming live so that a player could tie his/her shoe. Starting with the 1963-64 season this provision was intentionally deleted from Rule 2. The Rules Committee, in an editorial comment, stated that the provision was deleted because the Committee did not want officials to stop the game or delay a dead ball from becoming live so that a player could tie his/her shoe. The effect of this rule change is that officials by rule cannot stop the game or delay a dead from becoming live so that a player can tie his/her shoe.

If one goes to the current NFHS Basketball Handbook and go to the chapter on the history of the rules changes, one will see the change listed in 1964. This rules change is still valid for both NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's Rules.

MTD, Sr.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by mick
Duh! I just figgered out what you meant, throw a Nike at it.

Not exactly. Just meant that I don't stop the clock to get it down. The net will stay hung up on the rim until a shot pushes it back down, or until the whistle sounds for some unrelated matter. At that point (whistle sounding), I may -- if it's convenient -- take the ball and knock the net down.

[mick]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Not exactly. Just meant that I don't stop the clock to get it down. The net will stay hung up on the rim until a shot pushes it back down, or until the whistle sounds for some unrelated matter. At that point (whistle sounding), I may -- if it's convenient -- take the ball and knock the net down.

Thanks, Chuck,
It seems to me that the view of the hoop changes with the net hung up causing a slight disadvantage to a team.
Perhaps the shooting team wrapped the net, or perhaps not they did not.
I am a little uncomfortable with leaving the net hung up. I'm glad the occurrence is infrequent.
mick

[RefSouthAlb]

I never attempt to knock the net down either by jumping (I am 6'2" or by throwing the ball). If you miss either way you look like a fool and the crowd gets a good chuckle. If there is a dead ball, I'll look at the tallest kid and ask him to get the net down. I'll usually preface it by saying something like ( hey ref's can't jump that's why we referee) or ( how about you put on a show for the crowd and jump up and get that for me).

Never had a problem and never looked like a fool.

[ref10]

never?

[footlocker]

Let me see... Referee, never looked like a fool...

hmmm...

[SF]

"Any umpire who claims he has never missed a play is, well,
an umpire." .... Ron Luciano

Stick in referee and you get the idea...