Aaarrgh!!!

[SF]

And, for the record, I don't think that's true. I know I've missed some calls and I know I've looked like a fool.

[devdog69]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Prior to the 1963-64 season, National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada (NBCUSC) Rules (the predessor ot the NFHS and NCAA rules committees) allowed game officials to stop the game or to prevent a dead ball from becoming live so that a player could tie his/her shoe. Starting with the 1963-64 season this provision was intentionally deleted from Rule 2. The Rules Committee, in an editorial comment, stated that the provision was deleted because the Committee did not want officials to stop the game or delay a dead ball from becoming live so that a player could tie his/her shoe. The effect of this rule change is that officials by rule cannot stop the game or delay a dead from becoming live so that a player can tie his/her shoe.

If one goes to the current NFHS Basketball Handbook and go to the chapter on the history of the rules changes, one will see the change listed in 1964. This rules change is still valid for both NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's Rules.

MTD, Sr.

I totally disagree with this logic, MTD. Just because they took out the allowance to stop the clock does not mean that you cannot stop the clock. The rule book contains things that are illegal and cannot be done under the rules. Therefore, if it is not specifically prohibited in the book or officials manual, it is up to the official, IMHO.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by devdog69

I totally disagree with this logic, MTD. Just because they took out the allowance to stop the clock does not mean that you cannot stop the clock. The rule book contains things that are illegal and cannot be done under the rules. Therefore, if it is not specifically prohibited in the book or officials manual, it is up to the official, IMHO.

devdog69:

Re-read my post. Prior to 1963-64, the rules specifically allowed game officials to keep a dead ball from becoming live or to stop the game so that a player could tie his shoe laces. Starting with the 1963-64 season, that provision was deleted and the Rules Committee stated in an editorial comment that the provision was deleted because it (Rules Committee) wanted to prohibit game officials from keeping a dead ball from becoming live or to stop the game so taht a player could tie his shoe laces. Until the Rules Committee re-introduces the pre 1963-64 provisiion, its 1963-64 rule deletion and editorial comment governs the situation. As I also stated before you can read about the change in the NFHS's latest Basketball Handbook.

MTD, Sr.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Starting with the 1963-64 season, that provision was deleted and the Rules Committee stated in an editorial comment that the provision was deleted because it (Rules Committee) wanted to prohibit game officials from keeping a dead ball from becoming live or to stop the game so taht a player could tie his shoe laces.

I don't like this. How are we, 40 years later, supposed to know what they want if they aren't specific? If they really wanted to PROHIBIT it, why not write it into the book, and make it official? How are we supposed to be consistent and maintain a high standard of excellence when we are mostly guessing what the heck we're supposed to do?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by rainmaker

I don't like this. How are we, 40 years later, supposed to know what they want if they aren't specific? If they really wanted to PROHIBIT it, why not write it into the book, and make it official? How are we supposed to be consistent and maintain a high standard of excellence when we are mostly guessing what the heck we're supposed to do?

Juulie:

You asked how we as officials are "supposed to be consistent and maintain a high standard of excellence?" Study the rules, study the casebook, study the auxilary books that are published by the NFHS and NCAA (Basketball Handbook, Officials Manuals, Illustrated Rules), attend rules seminars, ask questions of rules interpreters, contact the NFHS and NCAA rules editors, read Officiating.com and its Forums, read Referee Magazine, read the IAABO Sportorial, read the NCAA in-season bullitens, try to acquire old rules books and casebooks, and when all else fails listen to BALD, OLD GEEZERS, like me, who do not have anything better to do that peruse old rule books and casebooks and write letters to NFHS and NCAA rules editors for backround information concerning past interpretations.

MTD, Sr.