T'ed Up?

[ref18]

Originally posted by Kaliix
People like you give civilized society a bad name. There is never any reason to disrespect anyone just because you disagree with their opinion. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!

You've seemed to show the official disrespect by disagreeing with his opinion.

Sounds a bit hipocritical if you ask me.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Kaliix
People like you give civilized society a bad name. There is never any reason to disrespect anyone just because you disagree with their opinion. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!

Hey Cowlicks, nobody said that you were a bozo b/c of your opinion. If you haven't figured that out yet. . .

[official/coach]

The bottom line is, none of us was there. Not having been there to see the calls or the coach's actions, none of us actually know whether the T was appropriate or not.

Sometimes, intentional or not, officials call games a little unevenly. At the same time, coaches also look at them and complain unevenly too. Everybody always thinks they are right, and only occasionally does either side ever really look at it objectively.

On the surface only, the comment the coach made was not deserving of a T. However, it is also quite possible he had been complaining the entire game and this was an "accumulation" T. None of us know. The argument is unwinnable because we weren't there.

I will say though, that while yes, he is a "middle school girls coach", that was a "middle school girls ref" too.

I have been on both sides, and both sides are wrong on occasion. I think sometimes it would help if both sides were a little more open to criticism.

[Kaliix]

Chuck,
If your intent was irony, then Bravo! Well done.

My instincts tell me, however, that your not quite that clever...

In which case, thank you so much for reiterating my point even better than I could have.

(shaking my head) Geez, you guys kill me

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Hey Cowlicks, nobody said that you were a bozo b/c of your opinion. If you haven't figured that out yet. . .

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by official/coach
The bottom line is, none of us was there. Not having been there to see the calls or the coach's actions, none of us actually know whether the T was appropriate or not.

I will say though, that while yes, he is a "middle school girls coach", that was a "middle school girls ref" too.

Could you please explain how you know that the official was a "middle school girls ref" when you weren't there? And exactly what is a "middle school girls ref" anyway?

[Kelvin green]

My observations...

"Keeping Officials honest???" "Keeping it Fair"?

C'mon there's an automatic implication. Although it is not a true indication by any means what was the total foul count for the game? or is it that your team was outmatched, out gunned that you had to foul to stay in in.

Here's something to consider and I think most officials would agree... When you have a poorly officiated game it ALWAYS favors the team with the lesser skill. If the officials were calling it tight, maybe the better team knew how to not foul, move the ball, fastbreak, etc. To be agressive against a team that outmatches you will get you fouls...

I will admit... I MISS Calls.

How many times does an official actually hammer a team? Not very many.

I got accused of hammering a team not too long ago, 2 officials 5 fouls on the starting center. 4 of the 5 fouls were off ball. (3 by me 2 by my partner) I know the coach was not watching.. When we tried to explain to the coach what the player was doing WE got dismissed as not knowing what the game is or how to call it, The coach did not want to listen us and the kid eventually fouled out.

Last week Player sets a pick, the defensive player tries to go around and the screener rolls right into defensive player. Pretty obvious screening foul. Coach asks what he did. (Pretty calmly as a matter of fact) I tell him the kid screened and then rolled into him. Coach tells me that kids can roll anyway they want... (yeah right) Coach in this game eventually is tossed... However doing higher level games I have heard the good coaches say to a player who has just picked up his second foul early on a screen, You see how it is going to be called this game, clean it up... The coach knows his kid sets picks and many marginal ones and wont get away with them so the kid cleans it up. Another set of refs would not call em and they would probably set bad picks all night.

Same tournament, coach tells me something and I ask him if he is accusing me of cheating He says No I just want you to keep it fair... I then told him that he now is accusing me of cheating, and that I would not listen to him the rest of the game.

How many times does a coach hear a slap and see a swipe at the ball, and the slap is the shooter? Been there seen that.
I truly have a hard time believing that a coach would have the best angle of a jump shot at the other end of the floor when there are 10 players running around and at least two officials. But maybe you did because one official was out of "position". BUt were the officials really out of position? I have heard the "You need to be in position to make that call" when I was exactly in the right position... The coach just did not know where "right position" was...
I do know coaches who know exactly where were are supposed to be and have herad coaches yell " If you made that call then who was watching off ball! because that is your partenrs call"! I would love to see the instant replay of this one foul...

Remember three fouls and a T rarely influence a game. What we dont know here what were the turnovers? How many turnovers were unforced? How many free-throws were missed? what was the shooting percentage of each team? We all make mistakes, but when you add them up the losing team usually makes more that the winning team and the referees combined.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Kaliix
Chuck,
If your intent was irony, then Bravo! Well done.

My instincts tell me, however, that your not quite that clever...

Huh? What's i-r-o-n-y?

My point was not ironic, but straight-forward. No one here is slamming you b/c of your opinion that the game was called unevenly. No one.

We're slamming you b/c you are dumb enough to come to a website that is read almost exclusively by officials to complain about your officials; and then "dumber" enough to be surprised when we take offense.

Think for a second about the response an official would get if he (or she) went to a Coaching forum and made a post like this:

"I was working a middle school girls game and the coach was calling the stupidest plays. He wouldn't give the ball to his tallest girl and she could've dominated. I figured it was my job to help him out, so from the endline I shouted at him to feed it inside. Well, he yells at me to just do my job. So I T'd up his butt!! What could he have been thinking?!?!"

Do you think the responses would be overwhelmingly supportive of that official's post? Well, duh. You did the same thing in here. Now go home.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Huh? What's i-r-o-n-y?

My point was not ironic, but straight-forward. No one here is slamming you b/c of your opinion that the game was called unevenly. No one.

Could it be because he's either too lazy or ignorant to distinguish your from you're?

Or could it be because he's too ignorant to realize he screwed up the quote on his sig line?

"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming WOW! WHAT A RIDE."

[TravelinMan]

I truly lament when a thread like this takes up so much of our valuable time. I much more enjoy the intelligent conversations from our members regarding unusual plays and logical interpretations of rules that shows it takes a bright person to officiate. I truly wish the coaches that participate in this forum would be more like Hawks coach who may disagree with you but always have a logical, articulate response for you. PLEASE, Let's try to stay clear of argumentative threads like this. They serve no useful purpose. This is the BEST forum for honing/improving officiating skills and I'd like to keep it that way!

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by TravelinMan
I truly lament when a thread like this takes up so much of our valuable time. I much more enjoy the intelligent conversations from our members regarding unusual plays and logical interpretations of rules that shows it takes a bright person to officiate. I truly wish the coaches that participate in this forum would be more like Hawks coach who may disagree with you but always have a logical, articulate response for you. PLEASE, Let's try to stay clear of argumentative threads like this. They serve no useful purpose. This is the BEST forum for honing/improving officiating skills and I'd like to keep it that way!

It's called troll control, if a coach or fan is acting like a troll, why not cut them to shreads?

It has no effect on the threads with real topics, so there is no problem.

[TravelinMan]

Originally posted by blindzebra

It's called troll control, if a coach or fan is acting like a troll, why not cut them to shreads?

It has no effect on the threads with real topics, so there is no problem.

Like I said it is a waste of time and we end up stooping down to their level. That is the problem.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by TravelinMan

Like I said it is a waste of time and we end up stooping down to their level. That is the problem.

It only wastes your time if you let it, and most of the posts did not stoop at all, they were very thoughtful and had good intentions.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by TravelinMan

Like I said it is a waste of time and we end up stooping down to their level. That is the problem.

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It's not a waste of time if the troll goes away and doesn't return. It's also not a waste of time if enough of us get on these uh, people (OK, Brad?) and maybe make them think a little bit about their actions. As Chuck pointed out before, this is certainly NOT the venue that should allow this type of person to encourage and promote their coaching philosophy of "working officials". Especially "working officials" in a middle school girls game. Maybe if they find out just how unsporting others really view their actions, they might just maybe think a l'il bit the next time before they go into their act. And it is a deliberate "act", and not a spontaneous response to what may have been a bad call. It's an act that is calculated to harass and influence officials, in order to gain an unwarranted advantage. Nothing more, nothing less.

[TravelinMan]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

It's not a waste of time if the troll goes away and doesn't return. It's also not a waste of time if enough of us get on these uh, people (OK, Brad?) and maybe make them think a little bit about their actions. As Chuck pointed out before, this is certainly NOT the venue that should allow this type of person to encourage and promote their coaching philosophy of "working officials". Especially "working officials" in a middle school girls game. Maybe if they find out just how unsporting others really view their actions, they might just maybe think a l'il bit the next time before they go into their act. And it is a deliberate "act", and not a spontaneous response to what may have been a bad call. It's an act that is calculated to harass and influence officials, in order to gain an unwarranted advantage. Nothing more, nothing less. [/B]

JR, I'm with you on that. If the troll goes away, I am with you on that 100%

[ref18]

IMHO, i don't think this troll realises what he/she's up against, and she doesn't understand that these types of comments do not add to the constructive aspect of this forum. If you want to continue to rip this kaliix to shreds, please continue, you're adding valuable humour to my life.


However, if you do not agree with this, don't read this thread anymore, because i don't think its gonna get any better.