AAU Ramblings and a Play

BktBallRef · #1 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 04:41pm

From the bleachers

"Hey! She can't roll the ball. That's illegal," after a player who recovered the ball while sitting on the floor rolled the ball to a teammate.

"Call it I both ends!" after I had just called the 9th tem foul on her team. Oh, the opposing team had 10 team fouls.

"She traveled!" after Team A used a TO after a basket and A1 ran the baseline on the ensuing throw-in.

"She went OOB! She can come back in and be the first player to touch the ball. She can't do that!"

Play: NCAA Women's Rules

A1 in bounds the ball to A2 who dribbles down the floor.
She passes the ball toward A3.
B1 leaps and intercepts the ball while in flight, before landing OOB.
Is the shot clock reset before A inbounds the ball?
Rule reference please.

Dan_ref · #2 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 06:12pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
From the bleachers

"Hey! She can't roll the ball. That's illegal," after a player who recovered the ball while sitting on the floor rolled the ball to a teammate.

"Call it I both ends!" after I had just called the 9th tem foul on her team. Oh, the opposing team had 10 team fouls.

I love this one.

Towards the end of my season last year I was working a ncaa game when a player told me I gotta cal it both ways. I pointed to the scoreboard which had fouls at 9 each and asked him how it could be more both ways. He smiled and hugged me.

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Play: NCAA Women's Rules

A1 in bounds the ball to A2 who dribbles down the floor.
She passes the ball toward A3.
B1 leaps and intercepts the ball while in flight, before landing OOB.
Is the shot clock reset before A inbounds the ball?
Rule reference please.

NCAA 2-13-6a

Stop the timing device and reset it when team control is re-established after the team loses possession of the ball.

So in your case as soon as B established team control the shot clock is reset to 30 for women or 35 for men.

Jimgolf · #3 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 06:15pm

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Rule 2-13 Art. 6. Stop the timing device and reset it:
a. When team control is re-established after the team loses possession
of the ball;
b. When a foul occurs (Exceptions: Rules 2-13.7.e and .f);
c. When a held ball occurs (Exceptions: Rule 2-13.7.d and 2-13.7.g);
d. When a try for goal strikes the ring or flange, or
e. When a violation occurs.
f. When an inadvertent whistle occurs and there was no player or team control at the time of the whistle.

Isn't out of bounds a violation?

Dan_ref · #4 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 06:22pm

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Originally posted by Jimgolf

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Rule 2-13 Art. 6. Stop the timing device and reset it:
a. When team control is re-established after the team loses possession
of the ball;
b. When a foul occurs (Exceptions: Rules 2-13.7.e and .f);
c. When a held ball occurs (Exceptions: Rule 2-13.7.d and 2-13.7.g);
d. When a try for goal strikes the ring or flange, or
e. When a violation occurs.
f. When an inadvertent whistle occurs and there was no player or team control at the time of the whistle.

Isn't out of bounds a violation?

Yeah but the change in possesion happened first.

For run of the mill deflected OOB see 2-13-7a.

Dan_ref · #5 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 06:22pm

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Originally posted by mick

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Originally posted by BktBallRef

Play: NCAA Women's Rules

A1 in bounds the ball to A2 who dribbles down the floor.
She passes the ball toward A3.
B1 leaps and intercepts the ball while in flight, before landing OOB.
Is the shot clock reset before A inbounds the ball?
Rule reference please.

2-13-6 Stop the timing device and reset it ...(a) when team control is re-established after the team loses possession of the ball.

mick

We're on the same page, you just got there first...

TravelinMan · #6 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 06:44pm

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Originally posted by Jimgolf

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Rule 2-13 Art. 6. Stop the timing device and reset it:
a. When team control is re-established after the team loses possession
of the ball;
b. When a foul occurs (Exceptions: Rules 2-13.7.e and .f);
c. When a held ball occurs (Exceptions: Rule 2-13.7.d and 2-13.7.g);
d. When a try for goal strikes the ring or flange, or
e. When a violation occurs.
f. When an inadvertent whistle occurs and there was no player or team control at the time of the whistle.

Isn't out of bounds a violation?

Jim, team A lost posession when team B intercepted ball and re-established team contol. B then went OOB. A gets the ball but clock is reset at point where B intercepted (re-established team control).

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mick · #7 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 07:17pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

We're on the same page, you just got there first...

I concede.

Jurassic Referee · #8 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 07:43pm

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Originally posted by mick

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

We're on the same page, you just got there first...

I concede.

You're conceded.

BktBallRef · #9 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 07:51pm

The two NCAA officials I was working with stated that since B1 didn't land inbounds, she never had possession.

I responded, "Would you have granted a TO if she had signalled before she landed?"

"Yes."

"That's right, because she had team control and player control. So why is it different when she doesn't request TO?"

"Because she landed OOB."

mick · #10 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 09:33pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
We're on the same page, you just got there first...

I concede. [/B][/QUOTE]You're conceded. [/B][/QUOTE]

"I used to be conceited, but now I am perfect."

mick · #11 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 09:37pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
The two NCAA officials I was working with stated that since B1 didn't land inbounds, she never had possession.

I responded, "Would you have granted a TO if she had signalled before she landed?"

"Yes."

"That's right, because she had team control and player control. So why is it different when she doesn't request TO?"

"Because she landed OOB."

Get in.
Get done.
Get out.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #12 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 09:48pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
The two NCAA officials I was working with stated that since B1 didn't land inbounds, she never had possession.

I responded, "Would you have granted a TO if she had signalled before she landed?"

"Yes."

"That's right, because she had team control and player control. So why is it different when she doesn't request TO?"

"Because she landed OOB."

Normally, I do not advocate violence, but you have my permission, this one time to slap them both silly upside their heads.

MTD, Sr.

BktBallRef · #13 (**permalink**) Sat May 15, 2004, 10:00pm

Well, I'll see one of 'em tomorrow.

Nevadaref · #14 (**permalink**) Sun May 16, 2004, 01:22am

It probably happened too fast for it to matter, but wouldn't the shot clock actually be reset twice on this play. First reset is when B intercepts the ball, so the shot clock is now counting down for team B's possession. Then a second reset when the player lands OOB. This reset gives team A a fresh shot clock for their ensuing possession.
You wouldn't want to be giving the ball to team A with one second gone from the shot clock after the OOB violation, right?

rainmaker · #15 (**permalink**) Sun May 16, 2004, 07:37am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
The two NCAA officials I was working with stated that since B1 didn't land inbounds, she never had possession.

I responded, "Would you have granted a TO if she had signalled before she landed?"

"Yes."

"That's right, because she had team control and player control. So why is it different when she doesn't request TO?"

"Because she landed OOB."

But as someone cited above, doesn't an OOB still call for a re-set?