Winning comment - Page 2

Lotto · #16 (**permalink**) Sun Apr 18, 2004, 10:44pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

"Which means he was still in the backcourt. Trust me on this one, Coach"

"Ok, I get it."

I don't think he really did.

Still, you did better than my partner did earlier this season when I made the same call right in front of the coach of the offending team. The coach didn't even pretend that he got it after it was explained more than once...

TigerBball · #17 (**permalink**) Sun Apr 18, 2004, 11:01pm

That throw in sitch is my pet peeve. Unfortunately, too many refs at 7th grade get that wrong.

I have only been t'd up a few times in 12 years, and 2 of them were this situation. And that was in the last few years because I think that rule was adjusted 5 years or so ago.

What really upset me, is the partner saw the whole thing, I called a time-out and asked the partner to please discuss it with the guy that made the call, at this point, I am calm cool and as red in the face as you can get without curse words coming out. When the partner says, I know it was wrong coach, but I don't feel I should over-rule him on this one, I came unglued. Sorry, call me a howler, but I understand this to be a correctable error, but this partner didn't have enough balls to do it.

rainmaker · #18 (**permalink**) Sun Apr 18, 2004, 11:39pm

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Originally posted by TigerBball
When the partner says, I know it was wrong coach, but I don't feel I should over-rule him on this one, I came unglued. Sorry, call me a howler, but I understand this to be a correctable error, but this partner didn't have enough balls to do it.

Coach, while it's true that the calling official could change his call if he chose to, within a certain time period, this isn't technically a Correctable Error, as defined by Rule 2-10. Partner NEVER has the authority to overrule for any reason, EVER. In your sitch, partner could have gone to calling official, and quietly suggested that the rule might have been mis-interpreted, and offered him the chance to change his own call. That's as much as the partner is allowed to do, by rule.

Adam · #19 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 19, 2004, 06:28am

TigerBBall,
This is not, technically, a "correctable error." That term will solicit more of the same reaction from others. Also, "overrule" is a term we avoid, since we do not have the authority to overrule our partner, by rule. I can approach a partner and suggest he change a call, explain a rule, etc. But I cannot authoritatively overrule my partner.

Like it or not, 7th grade basketball is a learning experience for most refs, and perhaps these two have a history of working together and one knows his partner will not react well to public correction. Perhaps he feels he can best teach his partner by discussion afterwards. Perhaps, he's had this discussion before and knows the partner will not change his call.

Just some thoughts.

Nevadaref · #20 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 19, 2004, 08:40am

As I've stated before on this forum, if the coach is going to be argumentative and is wrong about the rule, it is an automatic T.
That coach who commented "Learn the rule," in Chuck's game would have received a T and been told to look it up himself.

Adam · #21 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 19, 2004, 08:46am

Nevadaref,
What about a case like this with Tigerball. I kick a call, and the coach is yelling at my partner about it (all hypothetical of course). Coach is right, so I think I'll give him a little lattitude (no magic words).

I did kick one of these last season. Throw in from frontcourt. A2 tips ball (still in front court) towards backcourt, recovers ball in BC. Tweet!
H coach is a little peeved, and simply asks my partner to ask me if he had possession. Had I been thinking more quickly here, I would have overruled myself. I didn't, and partner and I discussed it later. We let coach cry for a few seconds, acknowledged him, and it was dropped immediately.

footlocker · #22 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 19, 2004, 09:47am

I kicked one last season too. Shot comes hard off the rim, I space and when the offence recovers in the backcourt I hit it. Coach asks, "Where was team control?" My partner brings the ball in and I'm standing next to the coach. I let him know, "Coach, you were right, I kicked it." He smiles, pats my back, and says thanks. He still lost the possession but was gratified that he understood the rule and I acknowledged him. After the game, he tells the evaluator that I did not see in the crowd that this was the best-officiated game all year.

Many coaches want acknowledgement and respect. Interesting so do we. When the coach is right and I am clearly wrong, it does me no good to insist that Im infallible. Of course, you cant keep getting wrong all day and apologize.

Hawks Coach · #23 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 20, 2004, 07:53pm

Tiger
Why the T? What good did it do you to blow your top? You won't get every call, and they will blow a rule every now and then. It usually all evens out, maybe not every game, but over time. You know what you saw, but you know what was called. No point getting angry - make your point, and the call is either changed or it isn't. But it isn't worth losing your temper, and certainly not so much that you get a T.

I honestly can't remember the last time I addressed a ref in anger - it has been years. I have gotten angry when I deal with refs with attitudes, but never let them know you're mad. It accomplishes nothing positive for you.

TigerBball · #24 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 20, 2004, 11:20pm

Hey Hawks, you sound like my wife.

rainmaker · #25 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 21, 2004, 02:02am

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Originally posted by TigerBball
Hey Hawks, you sound like my wife.

Caught yourself a good one, huh?

TPS2859 · #26 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 21, 2004, 11:21am

Sooo would you just puke on his shoes as Mark said OR give the T? (shoot, why not both!)

I've had a coach turn to the fans to plead his case on a rule (that he was wrong on) I took it as an insult, so BAM T. End of conversation.

Nevadaref · #27 (**permalink**) Thu Apr 22, 2004, 02:05am

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Originally posted by Snaqwells
Nevadaref,
What about a case like this with Tigerball. I kick a call, and the coach is yelling at my partner about it (all hypothetical of course). Coach is right, so I think I'll give him a little lattitude (no magic words).

I did kick one of these last season. Throw in from frontcourt. A2 tips ball (still in front court) towards backcourt, recovers ball in BC. Tweet!
H coach is a little peeved, and simply asks my partner to ask me if he had possession. Had I been thinking more quickly here, I would have overruled myself. I didn't, and partner and I discussed it later. We let coach cry for a few seconds, acknowledged him, and it was dropped immediately.

Well then that wouldn't fit what I said, now would it? In your case you have a coach who is being argumentative, but is right about the rule. He probably isn't going to get a T from me unless his behavior is really bad.