Winning comment

[ChuckElias]

I'm lead in transition, Trail is almost to midcourt. A1 dribbles over the midcourt line, ball is clearly in frontcourt. A1 passes to A2. A2 jumps from the backcourt, catches the ball and lands in the frontcourt.

Partner correctly whistles the violation. Coach is up immediately. "He wasn't in the backcourt!!"

Partner ignores him, so coach follows up with "Learn the rule!"

After becoming the new Trail, I inbounded the ball table side and stayed with the rule-saavy coach. "Coach, he got the call right"

"But he was in the frontcourt!"

"It's not where you land, Coach, it's the last place you were touching."

"Yeah, but he was still in the air when he caught it!"

"Which means he was still in the backcourt. Trust me on this one, Coach"

"Ok, I get it."

I don't think he really did.

[Mark Padgett]

Chuck - give him the old bromide, "you are where you were 'till you get where you're going".

Then - when you get that blank stare, tell him it's a basic principle of Newtonian physics.

Then stare at his pants and puke on his shoes.

[TravelinMan]

There are a number of situations that appear to be backcourt that are not. Another confusing non-call is where A1 is bringing ball up under pressure and A2 is at midcourt with one foot in backcourt and one foot in frontcourt. A1 passes to A2 and A2 catches and swings his front foot to the backcourt and returns pass to A1 who is still in backcourt. Coaches scream about this one. It would be a good idea for coaches to get a one night clinic covering situations like this.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias


Partner ignores him, so coach follows up with "Learn the rule!"

Holy dexter Chuck.

This is about as close to an automatic T as I get.

Especially in AAU ball.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by ChuckElias


I'm lead in transition, Trail is almost to midcourt. A1 dribbles over the midcourt line, ball is clearly in frontcourt. A1 passes to A2. A2 jumps from the backcourt, catches the ball and lands in the frontcourt.

Partner correctly whistles the violation. Coach is up immediately. "He wasn't in the backcourt!!"

Partner ignores him, so coach follows up with "Learn the rule!"

After becoming the new Trail, I inbounded the ball table side and stayed with the rule-saavy coach. "Coach, he got the call right"

"But he was in the frontcourt!"

"It's not where you land, Coach, it's the last place you were touching."

"Yeah, but he was still in the air when he caught it!"

"Which means he was still in the backcourt. Trust me on this one, Coach"

"Ok, I get it."

I don't think he really did.

Sometimes I'll follow up the explanation with a comparison to a rule they are more familiar with like, "it's the same as jumping oob to save a ball, you are considered to be where you last touched the floor." Sometimes that turns on the light for them. Sometimes not.

[mxd]

What if...

A1 with ball for throw-in in his backcourt. Passes to A2 who, standing in the frontcourt, jumps, catches ball in air, and lands in the backcourt.

Violation?

[Lotto]

Originally posted by mxd
What if...

A1 with ball for throw-in in his backcourt. Passes to A2 who, standing in the frontcourt, jumps, catches ball in air, and lands in the backcourt.

Violation?

No. This play is an exception that is explicitly given in the rulebook.

A similar exception applies to a defender making a steal who jumps from his/her frontcourt and lands in the backcourt.

[tjchamp]

Originally posted by Lotto

No. This play is an exception that is explicitly given in the rulebook.

A similar exception applies to a defender making a steal who jumps from his/her frontcourt and lands in the backcourt.

What am I missing here? Case book 9.9.1c, says to me this IS a backcourt violation. Team A is in team control, last to touch it while in front court (not where you're going till you get there), and first to touch in backcourt.

I think what you are talking about is on a throw-in. That would not be a violation as no team control.

[Adam]

tjchamp,
Uhm, read mxd's post again. It states "A1 with ball for throw-in in his backcourt."

[tjchamp]

My bad! I do have to learn to read better.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by tjchamp
I think what you are talking about is on a throw-in. That would not be a violation as no team control.

Not true. There is TEAM CONTROL. It's established as soon as A2 catches the ball. The rule simply allows A2 to land in the BC in this situation, even though team control has been established.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Lotto

No. This play is an exception that is explicitly given in the rulebook.

Additionally, where the throw-in originated is irrelevant. Even if the throw-in came from the frontcourt, it's still ok to catch it while airborne and land in your backcourt.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
This is about as close to an automatic T as I get.

Really? Maybe my threshold is too high. I thought it was funny rather than unsportsmanlike. Plus, he said it to my partner. If he was offended, he coulda whacked him his own self.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Really? Maybe my threshold is too high. I thought it was funny rather than unsportsmanlike. Plus, he said it to my partner. If he was offended, he coulda whacked him his own self.

Might be my sense of humor is not so well developed.

Yelling "Learn the rule" earns a T.

[TravelinMan]

Dan, I can see your point of view in T'ing him up. Tone of voice and manner in which something is said is important to me when I make that decision to T or not. But I also see Chuck's point of view. It is kind of hilarious. It would have gotten a chuckle out of me.