Player ignores ref

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

The calf might be looking over his/her shoulder though.

New idea for a bumper sticker:

"Boston, where the cows are prettier than the women."

[Rickref]

From a game management stand point to you really want to stop the game and shoot a couple for the T. Rub a little more salt in the wound. Get the coach and everyone else fired up. The kids team is getting beat up, he's upset. Yes he's being a jerk and he's not to happy with you. Yes, he needs to learn a lesson, but this is not the most teachable moment. Let it pass.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
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New idea for a bumper sticker:

"Boston, where the cows are prettier than the women."
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"Boston, where men are MEN
and the farm animals are nervous."

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

New idea for a bumper sticker:

"Boston, where the cows are prettier than the women."

Ah, good old Massachusetts - where the men are men, and the women look like it! Or was that Montana? Never can keep those "M" states straight...as to the original post - tell the kid once, don't ask for a response (no "Do you understand" questions), and put the ball in play...

[Adam]

If he stops reaching over the line, he's obviously listened to you. If he doesn't, then you can T him with little explaining to do later. I can't think of an easier T than a repeat violation here.
As long as he's not popping off to you, I see no reason to whack him here. Unless he offers you the Philly Salute to go with the Rio Linda stare, let it go.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

New idea for a bumper sticker:

"Boston, where the cows are prettier than the women."
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"Boston, where men are MEN
and the farm animals are nervous." [/B][/QUOTE]

"Boston, where the women are tough & the men are pretty"

[ChuckElias]

My personal opinion on the situation is that it's not unsportsmanlike to disregard a question. As others have said, T him for what he does. Perhaps the kid is just aware that if he says anything, it's going to be something bad (just b/c of his own frustration); and so he chooses to say nothing at all.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
"Boston, where the women are tough & the men are pretty"

I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay. . .

[Hawks Coach]

First, he is a 17 year old kid - why are you asking him if he understands? As much as you took exception to him not answering, he may have felt that your comment was insulting and demeaning. Asking again may simply seem like you are treating him like he is an idiot. You shouldn't be surprised that he didn't respond - the words that were probably on his mind were the kind that can get you T'd up automatically.

You are only looking at this from your perspective. From my perspective, I see an authority figure talking down to a player with enough experience to know and understand the call you have made. You wouldn't say, "you travelled, do you understand what I am saying?" You would understand if that kind of comment offended a player, you probably didn't realize that your comment may have been equally offensive.

Now having said that, silence is definitely something that should not be T'd up. I am not sure what sportsmanship code requires that a player answer an official's question - it may be impolite, but it is a huge stretch to call an unsportsmanlike T for this. Even more so when you consider the points I made above.

[brianp134]

I would let it go and try to get the game over with especially if the game is a blowout.

[tomegun]

I can see MTD's point on the T although I wouldn't give him one. My question to all: is there ever a time in the game when you say something to a player and expect an answer? If there is not then you should ignore it. If there is then you should not ignore it. For instance, I might want to talk to someone to prevent them from doing something. Although they might not want to answer me, an answer could be just what they need to calm down and or understand that further action will result in something they do not want. In this case, it is game management to prevent something from happening by talking to players. I don't like to do this and be ignored. Some days I will get an answer, some days I will ignore it with the understanding that the next time will be action instead of words. It depends on the situation and the official. However, if an official is ignored and the same thing happens and they don't do anything then shame on that official. That behavior will trickle down to the next game and the player will think they can get away with this behavior every time.

[mick]

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
First, he is a 17 year old kid - why are you asking him if he understands?

Coach,
It's that blank stare that inititates an involuntary reflex.
I can remember that from when I used to be a parent.

"Y'understand?"

"Ya hear me?"
mick

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by tomegun

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However, if an official is ignored and the same thing happens and they don't do anything then shame on that official. That behavior will trickle down to the next game and the player will think they can get away with this behavior every time.

Get away with what behavior?

Remaining silent?

[footlocker]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Now to the heart of my post. Do not give the player (or any coach for that matter) an ultimatum. If the player is staring at you, he heard you. His refusual to answer your question is disrepectful and after the second refusal to answer you, it is okay to give him a technical foul for unsportsmanlike conduct. If the the player's coach complains about the technical foul then shame on him, because he is part of the problem not part of the solution.

Thanks for the thoughts. No heat from me for these comments. I agree but still would rather avoid the T in a game like this.

Originally posted by Rickref
Yes he's being a jerk and he's not to happy with you. Yes, he needs to learn a lesson, but this is not the most teachable moment. Let it pass.

I think I agree with this the most. This is pretty much how I handled it.

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Perhaps the kid is just aware that if he says anything, it's going to be something bad (just b/c of his own frustration); and so he chooses to say nothing at all.

This is a great point Chuck. If I had considered this, I might not have been so irked by the disrespect.

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
You are only looking at this from your perspective. From my perspective, I see an authority figure talking down to a player with enough experience to know and understand the call you have made.

Yeah, that’s a good one. I was being the disrespectful one. This is asinine. Coach, as an official, I have been instructed by senior officials and at camps to point out the plane that the defending player should not cross. Particularly I should do so after the infraction as a preventative measure before the next inbounds situation. BTW, I also let a kid know after a made bucket and a time-out that he has the right to run the endline before the next inbounds- am I patronizing him here too or just doing my job.

The fact is, the blank stare elicited the “understand?”

All the time I hear ‘genius’ coaches instruct a player about to shoot free throws, “Hey Tommy, make ‘em.” If that’s not stating the obvious, I don’t know what is.

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
You are only looking at this from your perspective. From my perspective.

And what perspective do you view things from? Don't presume to know what perspective I have viewed this from and I won't presume yours. Furthermore, I never made one mention of a Technical in my original post.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mick

It's that blank stare that inititates an involuntary reflex.
I can remember that from when I used to be a parent.

"Y'understand?"

"Ya hear me?"
mick

Exactly.

Thanks for the thoughts. Like I said in my original post.

Originally posted by footlocker
In retrospect, I probably should have stated that he needs to stay on his side of the plane and left it at that.

I still appreciate the feedback as always. Even you, HawksCoach. Understand?

[Jimgolf]

No need to ask "Do you understand?" Give the warning, give the ball to the inbounder, if the player ignores you, T time. This is one of those situations (blowout, extended garbage time), where it pays to follow mechanics to the letter, get out and go home.

Having asked the question, I don't feel you should be offended by the lack of response. Since you're not supposed to be asking the player whether or not he understands you, how can you penalize him for not responding?

While common courtesy demands a response, the rule book doesn't. At this point, it's time to move on.