DePaul/Dayton - Page 2

blindzebra · #16 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 19, 2004, 05:23pm

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

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Originally posted by zebraman
If he sucked his whistle because of the time left, I think that's wrong. If he didn't think it was worthy of a foul (regardless of time), no problem.

Why penalize a team just because of when the foul happened? Doesn't that go against the whole intent of fair play and being consistent from beginning to end?

I called a foul at the state tournament with a couple seconds left in a barn-burner game and all my evals said, "good job stepping up and making the tough call at the end of the game." I possibly could have passed on it without getting hung after the game, but it was consistent with what we had called the rest of the game. Of course, we all know that there are many differences in philosophy between high school and college.

I would have a hard time working for an assignor who wanted a foul in the closing seconds to have to be harder than a foul at any other point in the game.

Z

[Edited by zebraman on Mar 19th, 2004 at 01:54 PM]

I don't think that was a foul at the D-I level at any time in the game. I'm not penalizing players for going after a loose ball.

But the time definitely was a factor. Would Dayton have tried to rush and tip that ball if there was more time on the clock?

Which foul are you talking about, the contact on the tap, or the arm lock hold before they went for the ball. I agree
on the tap , but the hold is a foul at the D-1 level and should have been called.

Rich · #17 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 19, 2004, 05:53pm

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Originally posted by blindzebra

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

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Originally posted by zebraman
If he sucked his whistle because of the time left, I think that's wrong. If he didn't think it was worthy of a foul (regardless of time), no problem.

Why penalize a team just because of when the foul happened? Doesn't that go against the whole intent of fair play and being consistent from beginning to end?

I called a foul at the state tournament with a couple seconds left in a barn-burner game and all my evals said, "good job stepping up and making the tough call at the end of the game." I possibly could have passed on it without getting hung after the game, but it was consistent with what we had called the rest of the game. Of course, we all know that there are many differences in philosophy between high school and college.

I would have a hard time working for an assignor who wanted a foul in the closing seconds to have to be harder than a foul at any other point in the game.

Z

[Edited by zebraman on Mar 19th, 2004 at 01:54 PM]

I don't think that was a foul at the D-I level at any time in the game. I'm not penalizing players for going after a loose ball.

But the time definitely was a factor. Would Dayton have tried to rush and tip that ball if there was more time on the clock?

Which foul are you talking about, the contact on the tap, or the arm lock hold before they went for the ball. I agree
on the tap , but the hold is a foul at the D-1 level and should have been called.

Obviously not. It wasn't. I haven't heard a single complaint about this "non-call" either.

--Rich

blindzebra · #18 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 19, 2004, 06:03pm

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

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Originally posted by blindzebra

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

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Originally posted by zebraman
If he sucked his whistle because of the time left, I think that's wrong. If he didn't think it was worthy of a foul (regardless of time), no problem.

Why penalize a team just because of when the foul happened? Doesn't that go against the whole intent of fair play and being consistent from beginning to end?

I called a foul at the state tournament with a couple seconds left in a barn-burner game and all my evals said, "good job stepping up and making the tough call at the end of the game." I possibly could have passed on it without getting hung after the game, but it was consistent with what we had called the rest of the game. Of course, we all know that there are many differences in philosophy between high school and college.

I would have a hard time working for an assignor who wanted a foul in the closing seconds to have to be harder than a foul at any other point in the game.

Z

[Edited by zebraman on Mar 19th, 2004 at 01:54 PM]

I don't think that was a foul at the D-I level at any time in the game. I'm not penalizing players for going after a loose ball.

But the time definitely was a factor. Would Dayton have tried to rush and tip that ball if there was more time on the clock?

Which foul are you talking about, the contact on the tap, or the arm lock hold before they went for the ball. I agree
on the tap , but the hold is a foul at the D-1 level and should have been called.

Obviously not. It wasn't. I haven't heard a single complaint about this "non-call" either.

--Rich

You did not see my first post then. The Depaul player grabbed and locked down the Dayton player's left arm as he curled off the screen and attempted to jump for the ball.The Dayton player never got both arms up and had to tap the ball with one hand because his left side could not get free from the hold. That is the foul that should have been called and not the contact on the tap.

#19 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 19, 2004, 06:19pm

I saw the game, and in my opinion, the whole play didn't go well at all. But from what I could see, and the replays that I was able to stay awake for, I think the whole play was a good no-call. The game went too well to have any kind of call skew it at that point.

Rich · #20 (**permalink**) Fri Mar 19, 2004, 06:19pm

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Originally posted by blindzebra

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

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Originally posted by blindzebra

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

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Originally posted by zebraman
If he sucked his whistle because of the time left, I think that's wrong. If he didn't think it was worthy of a foul (regardless of time), no problem.

Why penalize a team just because of when the foul happened? Doesn't that go against the whole intent of fair play and being consistent from beginning to end?

I called a foul at the state tournament with a couple seconds left in a barn-burner game and all my evals said, "good job stepping up and making the tough call at the end of the game." I possibly could have passed on it without getting hung after the game, but it was consistent with what we had called the rest of the game. Of course, we all know that there are many differences in philosophy between high school and college.

I would have a hard time working for an assignor who wanted a foul in the closing seconds to have to be harder than a foul at any other point in the game.

Z

[Edited by zebraman on Mar 19th, 2004 at 01:54 PM]

I don't think that was a foul at the D-I level at any time in the game. I'm not penalizing players for going after a loose ball.

But the time definitely was a factor. Would Dayton have tried to rush and tip that ball if there was more time on the clock?

Which foul are you talking about, the contact on the tap, or the arm lock hold before they went for the ball. I agree
on the tap , but the hold is a foul at the D-1 level and should have been called.

Obviously not. It wasn't. I haven't heard a single complaint about this "non-call" either.

--Rich

You did not see my first post then. The Depaul player grabbed and locked down the Dayton player's left arm as he curled off the screen and attempted to jump for the ball.The Dayton player never got both arms up and had to tap the ball with one hand because his left side could not get free from the hold. That is the foul that should have been called and not the contact on the tap.

I've looked through a lot of news reports -- the only remark I've seen was by Vitale for the player "banging from behind."

I even read some message boards and only saw 2 comments there.

It's just not the expected call in that situation. I know it's likely to be an unpopular opinion here, but I think making the expected call is not a bad way to handle that situation.

--Rich