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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 10:41am
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A partner of a partner story.

A1 goes down hard and looks froggy.
Team control A.
Official A properly blows whistle to check player.
In short time the player says he's okay.
Official A gives spot for Team A throw-in.

Coach B (emotional and ignorant) yells for A1 to take a seat until the next dead ball, but Official A (taking more than a few seconds) explains that A1 was up and ready, that no coach was beckoned, and that the ball will be thrown in by Official B right now!

Official A runs to position and looks to see Official B replacing A1.



Get in. Get done. Get out.
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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 06:39pm
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I was frustrated by this for two reasons: 1. It was my primary area and he shouldn't be looking there. 2. It was so petty and there was absolutely no advantage gained by the player. It just wasn't a smart call, and it changed the outcome of the game.
Its hard for me to have sympathy for this one. Toe on line is violation. Your primary, why didn't you do proventive officiating. Your primary, why didn't you make the violation call? Now having said this, I'm not going to make that call from C. In fact as T, in 2nd half I probably wouldn't make this call either. [/B]
I wouldn't call it either. It goes to the intent and spirit of the rule. A toe on the 3-point line is only going to be a factor if they go in for the rebound or are in a place to distract the shooter.
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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 08:31pm
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One of mine too!

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Darn right. I was working 2-person this season with my hand up counting players at the start of a quarter. Partner R doesn't look at me and puts the ball in play. V has 6 on the court. Fortunately, V coach was sheepish and took blame for this, but we all know who was really at fault for the technical we had to call. [/B]

Rich,
Since you had your hand up, why didn't you just blow it back down and get the 6th off the floor? Was there more to this? [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree Rich, If you have a hand up, while it is frustrating, you just whistle and get him off the court. The official who has the hand up still has time stopped. No penalties.
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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 09:42pm
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What I should've done, but my hand was up for routine counting -- NOT because I knew there were six on the floor. Since my partner was in such a hurry, I assumed incorrectly that he had counted the players and I dropped my hand in deference.

Wrong move.

Once the ball came on the court, it was probably five seconds before I heard someone mention the six players. Then I counted again.

The sixth player didn't legally play the entire game. I wonder what made him think he was in the game.

Ugh.

Live and learn. And be aggressive about keeping the hand up and the ball dead until *I'm* ready.

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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 09:48pm
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six players, been there, done that. I would venture to say most all of us has done that little mistake.
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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 10:00pm
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The official who has the hand up still has time stopped.
Hmmmmmm, which official should the timer look at when the ball is put in play...the guy with his hand up or the guy chopping in the time?

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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 10:49pm
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I don't care where the timer is looking. The hand up is for my partner. Until my hand comes down, we have play stopped. Kind of like baseball when the umpire has the hand up and the pitcher throws the ball. I don't care what happens. I have the game stopped.
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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 11:32pm
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The official who has the hand up still has time stopped.
Hmmmmmm, which official should the timer look at when the ball is put in play...the guy with his hand up or the guy chopping in the time?

RD
RookieDude,
I'm with Bart. Don't care about the timer.

My stop sign is angled toward my partner.
MY stop clock is straight U.P., ... hopefully. (Hafta check the game tape to make sure. )

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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 11:38pm
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Ugh.

Rich,
They make clicker thingys that goes 2-3 and 3-4.
We need one that goes 5-5?
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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 11:44pm
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What I should've done, but my hand was up for routine counting -- NOT because I knew there were six on the floor. Since my partner was in such a hurry, I assumed incorrectly that he had counted the players and I dropped my hand in deference.

Wrong move.

Once the ball came on the court, it was probably five seconds before I heard someone mention the six players. Then I counted again.

The sixth player didn't legally play the entire game. I wonder what made him think he was in the game.

Ugh.

Live and learn. And be aggressive about keeping the hand up and the ball dead until *I'm* ready.

Rich
Had that mistake today. It won't ever happen again. I stopped play, partner is looking at me, I'm counting the players, people are laughing, I recounted. Damnit, a screw up. We just re did the throw in.
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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 11:49pm
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I don't care what happens. I have the game stopped.
Fair enough...but this definitely puts your partner (the one chopping in the time) at a possible embarrasing situation.

His hand was up also, while handing the player the ball for the Throw-in...then he chopped the time in, with lets say 3 seconds left... Team A down by one, gets the throw-in, shoots the ball, and makes it at the buzzer.

The crowd goes wild!! The fans rush the court! But wait! You still stubbornly have your hand up counting players...Whew! Team A Coach is going to love this "do over"!

I guess that'll teach your partner too have eye contact before every throw-in.

RD

[Edited by RookieDude on Jan 3rd, 2004 at 10:54 PM]
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Old Sat Jan 03, 2004, 11:53pm
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Fair enough...but, this definitely puts your partner (the one chopping in the time) at a possible embarrasing situation.

His hand was up also, while handing the player the ball for the Throw-in...then he chopped the time in, with lets say 3 seconds left... Team A down by one, gets the throw-in, shoots the ball, and makes it at the buzzer.

The crowd goes wild!! The fans rush the court! But wait! You still stubbornly have your hand up counting players...Whew! Team A Coach is going to love this "do over"!

I guess that'll teach your partner too have eye contact before every throw-in.

RD

Don't think so, RookieDude.
Administering official will have 5 against 5 before releasing the ball.
Hang in there. It'll come.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2004, 11:42am
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I don't care what happens. I have the game stopped.
Fair enough...but this definitely puts your partner (the one chopping in the time) at a possible embarrasing situation.

His hand was up also, while handing the player the ball for the Throw-in...then he chopped the time in, with lets say 3 seconds left... Team A down by one, gets the throw-in, shoots the ball, and makes it at the buzzer.

The crowd goes wild!! The fans rush the court! But wait! You still stubbornly have your hand up counting players...Whew! Team A Coach is going to love this "do over"!

I guess that'll teach your partner too have eye contact before every throw-in.

RD

[Edited by RookieDude on Jan 3rd, 2004 at 10:54 PM]
I suppose one could think of all kinds of different situations to find one that might convence you and others you did the right thing. I think I will stick to my guns and have my partner do another throwin. Just remember, the eye in the sky don't lie.
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Old Mon Jan 05, 2004, 06:54am
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I have another thing that I don't like. During pregame we go WE say we are going to do "blah, blah, blah." WE go out there and I'm the onle one doing "blah, blah, blah." What happened to the pregame? Why did we have it? I could have saved my breath!
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Old Mon Jan 05, 2004, 12:18pm
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I have another thing that I don't like. During pregame we go WE say we are going to do "blah, blah, blah." WE go out there and I'm the onle one doing "blah, blah, blah." What happened to the pregame? Why did we have it? I could have saved my breath!
Practice! Practice! Practice!

Also, maybe a reminder at half-time?!
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