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You toss the ball at center circle to start the game.
Your whistle is hangin'. You get bumped by a jumper and the ball goes askew. Partner watchin' what? Clock starts on touch, You get bumped again; you fumble for your whistle, find it and blow the ball dead. Clock says, "7:56". Now what? mick 
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 09:34am
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And get the hellouttatheway this time!
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 10:58am
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 11:01am
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It may not be correct per rule, but I would (and have) reset the clock since the game starts on the good toss.
Of course, I am in the camp that blowing it down causes more problems than it solves. YMMV. Rich
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 11:03am
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Dan, I don't think it did start correctly...it should not have started, it was a dead ball, therefore started incorrectly. Just my thought, and hopefully 4 seconds wouldn't make a big difference...but then again you never know..
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 11:07am
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 01:11pm
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I didn't initially reply cause mick's little poem leaves much to the imagination. Was this a bad toss and therefore no toss? If so, re-set the clock. Or was this a good toss, no clear control (dual touch), ball subsquently OOB off both players, and therefore time should have run? If so, leave it alone and re-jump.
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 01:18pm
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Whether or not the clock was started correctly...reset the clock and start over because its the right thing to do.
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 01:38pm
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Got a rule, AR, case play or memo on this? You guys could be right but I've never seen one.
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 02:02pm
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If play is started or resumed by a jump, the clock shall be started when the tossed ball is legally touched. If the toss is bad, ball is not live and it is not legally touched, therefore clock doesn't start (or shouldn't). That's why I say re-set on first condition I outlined - obviously subject to debate. As for starting in the second case, it seems clear to me. Ball was legally touched, clock starts on tap and stops on whistle. That's how the rule reads (stopping is in 5-8-1, and it is when official signals a violation, not when violation occurs).
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 02:04pm
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If the R doesn't throw the ball up at in a plane at right angles to the sidelines and dso the ball will drop between the jumpers, it's not a jump ball, so the ball isn't legally touched. And, yes, I'm reaching to find rules that support what I think is the "right" thing to do here.
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 02:13pm
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Got a rule, AR, case play or memo on this? You guys could be right but I've never seen one. [/B][/QUOTE]I have. Casebook play 5.10.1SitA- "In instances where the the timer has NOT made an obvious mistake, the referee is NOT authorized to either put time on the clock or take time off the clock". That's pretty clear. Forget about putting the 4 seconds back on. The rules won't let you.
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Mon Nov 24, 2003, 02:15pm
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The ball is live when it leaves the R's hand(s). The clock is started when it is legally touched. I would really like to see a rule that really gives a strong foundation for putting the time back on the clock. I've never heard of this but there is a first time for everything.
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