Bad toss and rejump - the clock. - Page 5

Rich · #61 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 26, 2003, 11:13am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
In response to Jurassic's use of bold print:

I'm going to give the most politically incorrect answer possible. I simply don't care whether there is a black-and-white justification for me to do so. I'm putting the time back on the clock and we're starting with 8:00 on the clock.

Yup,and you would still be wrong, by rule.

And nobody in the free world would care, either, that you were wrong.I'd do the same thing, Rich.

This was just a nice little philosophical, what-if rules discussion. Not that much relationship to the real world.

Oh, I misinterpreted then. Sorry. I've been a baseball umpire as long as I've been a basketball official (late 80s) and I'm used to rule sets that simply don't cover everything that happens in a game. Baseball's 9.01(c) is famous because it is the catch-all that covers that and I'm sure basketball has something similar, but I simply don't remember rule numbers the same way I do in baseball.

BTW, I used the smitty last night. Brought both the New Balance and my last pair of Run 'n Refs to the game in case the NB shoes hurt my feet and I needed to change out a halftime. Fat chance. The difference between the RnR shoes I bought in 1996 (I bought six pairs and broke this pair out last season) and the NB 609 shoes is like the difference between a Yugo and a BMW. It felt like I was wearing slippers (with support) out there. The RnR's are now officially retired.

Rich

Hawks Coach · #62 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 26, 2003, 02:03pm

Rich
Since half the people seem to believe the rules tell you to put time on and half seem to believe this is a non-correctable timing issue, I think that there is nothing in the rules that clearly and specifically tells you what to do. Therefore, your interprretation is the MOST correct of any - use the elasticity rule for either way of doing things (leaving time off or putting it back on) and you are right.

bob jenkins · #63 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 26, 2003, 02:49pm

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
Rich
Since half the people seem to believe the rules tell you to put time on and half seem to believe this is a non-correctable timing issue,

The correct solution,then, is to put 2 seconds back on the clock.

Mark Dexter · #64 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 01, 2003, 09:57pm

I'm not putting time back on the clock. The legality of the ball being touched refers to the restrictions in 6-4-6 and 6-4-7. The timing rules (5-9) merely state that that the clock is started when the ball is legally touched. The ball or the toss have nothing to do with the legality of the touching.

In addition, when you look at 9-6, it states that if there is a simultaneous violation or a bad toss, the toss is repeated. There is no mention of resetting time for a violation or a bad toss.

Now, if you want to argue that the referee has definite knowledge and looked up at the clock before blowing his whistle . . . . .

CLAY · #65 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 02, 2003, 01:37pm

Mick,

I have lost all respect for you. How could you of all people make a mistake on a toss. I thought you were the "god" of basketball officiating. I use your questions and responses to make myself a better official. I print out your reply's to keep in my study guide. How will I ever get ahead if I can no longer rely on your knowledge of the game.

A Pennsylvania Coach · #66 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 02, 2003, 02:04pm

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Originally posted by CLAY
Mick,

I have lost all respect for you. How could you of all people make a mistake on a toss. I thought you were the "god" of basketball officiating. I use your questions and responses to make myself a better official. I print out your reply's to keep in my study guide. How will I ever get ahead if I can no longer rely on your knowledge of the game.

CLAY,

You should pick your battles more carefully. If the members of this board held an election, mick would be Prom King!

Dan_ref · #67 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 02, 2003, 02:26pm

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Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

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Originally posted by CLAY
Mick,

I have lost all respect for you. How could you of all people make a mistake on a toss. I thought you were the "god" of basketball officiating. I use your questions and responses to make myself a better official. I print out your reply's to keep in my study guide. How will I ever get ahead if I can no longer rely on your knowledge of the game.

CLAY,

You should pick your battles more carefully. If the members of this board held an election, mick would be Prom King!

And Chuck would carry his balls!

mick · #68 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 02, 2003, 02:43pm

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Originally posted by CLAY
Mick,

I have lost all respect for you. How could you of all people make a mistake on a toss. I thought you were the "god" of basketball officiating. I use your questions and responses to make myself a better official. I print out your reply's to keep in my study guide. How will I ever get ahead if I can no longer rely on your knowledge of the game.

Geez, Clay,
I wrote:

"You toss the ball....
Your whistle is hangin'.
You get bumped by a jumper....
...You get bumped again;
you fumble for your whistle ...."

I never said I messed U.P. that toss!
I never said I got bumped by a spastic 7th grader!

mick

...and I didn't reset the clock, either.

Jurassic Referee · #69 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 02, 2003, 02:55pm

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Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach
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If the members of this board held an election, mick would be Prom King! [/B][/QUOTE]

Mark Dexter · #70 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 02, 2003, 10:26pm

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Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

You should pick your battles more carefully. If the members of this board held an election, mick would be Prom King!

Wait a minute. Didn't mick organize his prom? And he's somehow also prom king . . . . . I smell something fishy.

Time to send in the election monitors!!!