BktBallRef Originally posted by eddie736 The situation Q65 is asking about, in my mind is: A6 replaces A1 at a dead ball. Before the clock starts properly, the coach changes his/her mind and wants to substitute A7 for A6. Do you allow the substitution? No, A7 now replaces A6. A1 is already out of the game. [Edited by BktBallRef on Nov 19th, 2003 at 03:46 PM]
BktBallRef Originally posted by Jurassic Referee Yeah,I think you're right. I got carried away on that one- even though I didn't really have to get into that part because it wasn't even relevant to the original question. I stand by the rest of it, though. The answer to Plmartin18's original question is still "true", partially because of the 2 exceptions noted. Damn! Chuck and Paul got him before I could get to him! 😀
Nevadaref Originally posted by BktBallRef Originally posted by eddie736 The situation Q65 is asking about, in my mind is: A6 replaces A1 at a dead ball. Before the clock starts properly, the coach changes his/her mind and wants to substitute A7 for A6. Do you allow the substitution? NNo, A7 now replaces A6. A1 isd already out of the game. In this case, I don't see how A7 could have properly reported to the scorer and been in position BEFORE the dead ball. If he had been, then you would have beckoned him in at the same time as A6. Therefore, I'm not letting him in the game to replace A6.
bob jenkins Originally posted by Nevadaref Originally posted by BktBallRef Originally posted by eddie736 The situation Q65 is asking about, in my mind is: A6 replaces A1 at a dead ball. Before the clock starts properly, the coach changes his/her mind and wants to substitute A7 for A6. Do you allow the substitution? NNo, A7 now replaces A6. A1 isd already out of the game. In this case, I don't see how A7 could have properly reported to the scorer and been in position BEFORE the dead ball. If he had been, then you would have beckoned him in at the same time as A6. Therefore, I'm not letting him in the game to replace A6. Where is the rule that a sub must have reported before the ball becomes dead?
bigwhistle Originally posted by Nevadaref Originally posted by BktBallRef Originally posted by eddie736 The situation Q65 is asking about, in my mind is: A6 replaces A1 at a dead ball. Before the clock starts properly, the coach changes his/her mind and wants to substitute A7 for A6. Do you allow the substitution? NNo, A7 now replaces A6. A1 isd already out of the game. In this case, I don't see how A7 could have properly reported to the scorer and been in position BEFORE the dead ball. If he had been, then you would have beckoned him in at the same time as A6. Therefore, I'm not letting him in the game to replace A6. A6 is at table to replace A1 when ball becomes dead. A6 is beckoned into game. Team B calls time out. Before the warning horn A7 reports to replace A6. Does this senerio satisfy you Nevada?
Nevadaref Originally posted by bigwhistle Originally posted by Nevadaref Originally posted by BktBallRef Originally posted by eddie736 The situation Q65 is asking about, in my mind is: A6 replaces A1 at a dead ball. Before the clock starts properly, the coach changes his/her mind and wants to substitute A7 for A6. Do you allow the substitution? NNo, A7 now replaces A6. A1 isd already out of the game. In this case, I don't see how A7 could have properly reported to the scorer and been in position BEFORE the dead ball. If he had been, then you would have beckoned him in at the same time as A6. Therefore, I'm not letting him in the game to replace A6. A6 is at table to replace A1 when ball becomes dead. A6 is beckoned into game. Team B calls time out. Before the warning horn A7 reports to replace A6. Does this senerio satisfy you Nevada? Yes. In this senario, A7 may enter and A6 may legally leave.
plmartin18 Well, I certainly didn't expect this much debate! After reading all posts, and talking about it with other refs, I believe Q65 is true. I took the NFHS test online and missed one. I'm not sure which one yet, but it had better not be Q65!
CYO Butch Willie Price's thread on the score book took me back to the Instructions and Duties for the Scorer of Basketball Games. The part that seems to be relevant to this thread says under Substitutions: "A player who has been withdrawn may not re-enter before the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has been started properly following the player’s replacement." How does that affect this discussion?
bob jenkins Originally posted by CYO Butch Willie Price's thread on the score book took me back to the Instructions and Duties for the Scorer of Basketball Games. The part that seems to be relevant to this thread says under Substitutions: "A player who has been withdrawn may not re-enter before the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has been started properly following the player’s replacement." How does that affect this discussion? Not at all. The question deals with an ENTERING player -- can s/he be removed before the clock starts (YES); the statement, also in the rule book, delas with tht REMOVED player -- can s/he reenter before the clock starts (NO).
