Ball Status

[Zoochy]

Does the status change?
BALL LOCATION AND STATUS
When the ball is in contact with the backcourt or a player in the backcourt, it is considered to have backcourt location and status. A1 is dribbling the ball in THEIR Backcourt. They pass the ball towards the division line. B2 is straddling the division line. B2 hits the ball and it bounces back to A1. Team control DOES NOT change. Does Team A get a new 10 second backcourt count or does the original count continue?
Remember B2 is straddling the division line. Thus B2 is located in Team B's backcourt (Team A's frontcourt). Does this change the STATUS?

[JRutledge]

B2 touching the ball is still in the BC if they are touching the BC.

Look at this way. You are out of bounds when the ball touches you as you have a body part out of bounds. You are in the BC if the ball touches you and you have a body part touching BC. If I am reading this correctly, the ball never reached FC status so B2 touching the ball does not end a 10-second count.

Peace

[Raymond]

The status of the ball being in the front court or the back court is determined by which team has Team Control. Player and ball location will be identified by team A's court statuses as they still had TC.

B1 touching the ball while touching team A's back court would keep the status of the ball as back court.

That's how I look at it without the benefit of the rulebook in front of me. I don't study it anymore since I left the court.

Additionally, the 10 second count continues as Jeff mentioned.

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[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Does the status change?
BALL LOCATION AND STATUS
When the ball is in contact with the backcourt or a player in the backcourt, it is considered to have backcourt location and status. A1 is dribbling the ball in THEIR Backcourt. They pass the ball towards the division line. B2 is straddling the division line. B2 hits the ball and it bounces back to A1. Team control DOES NOT change. Does Team A get a new 10 second backcourt count or does the original count continue?
Remember B2 is straddling the division line. Thus B2 is located in Team B's backcourt (Team A's frontcourt). Does this change the STATUS?

So let's slightly change the situation. If B2 is completely in Team A's Front Court and B2 hits the ball back into Team A's backcourt, then Team A would get a new 10 second count. And the new count starts as soon as the ball contacts Team A's backcourt

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... and if Team A touches the ball in the backcourt first, it's a backcourt violation.



I seriously doubt that we would ever get to a count of ten in this situation.

How do you come to that conclusion that is a back court violation?

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

How do you come to that conclusion that is a back court violation?

Raymond is correct. I confused Team A and Team B.

Thanks Raymond.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Does the status change?
BALL LOCATION AND STATUS
When the ball is in contact with the backcourt or a player in the backcourt, it is considered to have backcourt location and status. A1 is dribbling the ball in THEIR Backcourt. They pass the ball towards the division line. B2 is straddling the division line. B2 hits the ball and it bounces back to A1. Team control DOES NOT change. Does Team A get a new 10 second backcourt count or does the original count continue?
Remember B2 is straddling the division line. Thus B2 is located in Team B's backcourt (Team A's frontcourt). Does this change the STATUS?

My answers differ from those already given.
My understanding is that B2 has backcourt status from Team B’s perspective and thus frontcourt status from Team A’s viewpoint. His touching of the ball makes the ball gain frontcourt status for the team in control, Team A. I would end the 10-second count and begin a new one when the ball contacted the court in Team A’s backcourt.

My test scenario for proof of this is what would you do if B2 used his knee to deliberately deflect the pass?
I would award Team A a throw-in at the 28 foot line in their frontcourt as I believe that B2’s location is on that half of the court.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My answers differ from those already given.
My understanding is that B2 has backcourt status from Team B’s perspective and thus frontcourt status from Team A’s viewpoint. His touching of the ball makes the ball gain frontcourt status for the team in control, Team A. I would end the 10-second count and begin a new one when the ball contacted the court in Team A’s backcourt.

My test scenario for proof of this is what would you do if B2 used his knee to deliberately deflect the pass?
I would award Team A a throw-in at the 28 foot line in their frontcourt as I believe that B2’s location is on that half of the court.

Nevadaref, I had the same thought process as you. I was outnumbered when discussing the play. I let it go. Thus my reason for posting the play.
Some higher ranked officials were saying Team A had control, so B2 was in Team A's backcourt. They were using Team Control as a factor for determining Ball status.

[Valley Man]

Could we argue that if we change B2 to A2, we would not call a backcourt violation on TEAM A the count would simply continue.

Using that to help say if B2 touched it and team control did not change, we would continue to count.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

Could we argue that if we change B2 to A2, we would not call a backcourt violation on TEAM A the count would simply continue.

Using that to help say if B2 touched it and team control did not change, we would continue to count.

As you obviously stated if a teammate, A2 was straddling the line. A2 would have backcourt status pertaining to Team A. My question dealt with if an opponent, B2, was straddling the line. Is B2's status determined by which team has Team Control?
case play 9.8 situation D (page 74 of the case book) comes close, but states B1 jumps from Team A's Frontcourt or Backcourt then contacts the ball

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

case play 9.8 situation D

9.8 SITUATION D: Team A is in control in its backcourt for seven seconds. A1 throws the ball toward A2 in the frontcourt. B1 jumps from Team A's: (a) frontcourt; or (b) backcourt and while in the air bats the ball back to A1 in A's backcourt. Does this give Team A 10 more seconds to get the ball to the frontcourt? RULING: Yes, in (a), a new count starts because B1 had frontcourt location/status when touching the ball thus giving the ball frontcourt location/status. In (b), the original count continues as Team A is still in control and the ball has not gone to frontcourt. (4-3, 4-4-2, 4-35-1)