Do you call a 2nd foul?

[SNIPERBBB]

We call false doubles all the time. Usually a personal foul, followed by a technical foul we just never have to use the term "false double" on the court.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

We call false doubles all the time. Usually a personal foul, followed by a technical foul we just never have to use the term "false double" on the court.

Good point.

Probably some "false multiples" too.

[JRutledge]

Based on the play, no. If there clearly was a foul and for some reason players did not recognize the whistle unknowingly, then no, I am not calling a foul. Yes, there is a rule and a case play, but that is also a little different. I would only call a foul if something on purpose and nefarious took place. Otherwise, common sense rules the day here. But based only on the play and what I am thinking, call the first foul. This usually never happens anyway.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

We call false doubles all the time. Usually a personal foul, followed by a technical foul we just never have to use the term "false double" on the court.

I put it this way. Many feel a false double foul is something that you call, but it is something that happens as a result of a second action. A false double foul is more about how you administer the fouls, not what you called. So you are right, we call these more often than we ever realize, but people get caught up in the name and think they are doing too much as a result.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I put it this way. Many feel a false double foul is something that you call, but it is something that happens as a result of a second action. A false double foul is more about how you administer the fouls, not what you called. So you are right, we call these more often than we ever realize, but people get caught up in the name and think they are doing too much as a result.

Peace

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MTD, Sr.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I put it this way. Many feel a false double foul is something that you call, but it is something that happens as a result of a second action. A false double foul is more about how you administer the fouls, not what you called. So you are right, we call these more often than we ever realize, but people get caught up in the name and think they are doing too much as a result.

Peace

I think I would be hard pressed to even come up with a memory of myself uttering the words "false" anything outside an association meeting or class. Only use it on the net in discussion forums/facebook

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

I think I would be hard pressed to even come up with a memory of myself uttering the words "false" anything outside an association meeting or class.

When such odd situations occur, and my partner and I have a short tête-à-tête discussion, and if they seem confused, I will occasionally drop the term "false double foul", usually followed by "penalties for fouls are administered in the order in which they occur".

When discussing with a coach I usually leave out the "false double foul" part.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... "penalties for fouls are administered in the order in which they occur".

Of course, as of last year, this is no longer always the case (faking being fouled).

Too bad, it was always so easy to follow.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ml#post1052986

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... they seem confused, I will occasionally ... by "penalties for fouls are administered in the order in which they occur".

Confused because that it not always the case in levels above high school.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

I think I would be hard pressed to even come up with a memory of myself uttering the words "false" anything outside an association meeting or class. Only use it on the net in discussion forums/facebook

I agree that we do not always use the terms. I know I have to illustrate what we are doing to take the stigma out of the term. Many people think we are calling some exotic or unusual thing, but all of us have called a live ball and a dead ball foul. Or in some cases, multiple dead-ball fouls. Or at the very least, seen them called. That is really all those are. So I have said the term to let people know that is what we are doing under rules language, but not something I would make a big deal about.

Peace