Ten Seconds ...

[BillyMac]

Local topic of discussion.

Note that Connecticut uses the shot clock for ten second counts (no counting signal).

Situation: After a made basket, the ball is inbounded by the new offensive team. The shot clock does not start properly, and the official notices that two seconds have gone by without the shot clock moving. The defensive team is pressing. What is the procedure for the official to follow here? If the official stops play to fix the shot clock, does the offense get a new 10-seconds in the backcourt?

Local answer: If you have definitive knowledge about the time that elapsed from the game clock, you should blow your whistle immediately and stop the play. Have the shot clock operator remove 2 seconds from the shot clock to mirror the game clock. Reset the team in possession of the ball out of bounds at a spot nearest to where you stopped play, and they have 8 seconds remaining to get the ball into the frontcourt.

My question: With any other whistles (defensive out of bounds, timeout, defensive foul, unusual situation, inadvertent whistle, etc.) during a ten second count, doesn't the offensive team get a full ten seconds after the ball is put back in play?

In a subvarsity game with no shot clock wouldn't the offensive team get full ten seconds after such whistles (defensive out of bounds, timeout, defensive foul, unusual situation, inadvertent whistle, etc.)?

NFHS citation for only an eight second count after the ball is put back in play in a shot clock game please?

[JRutledge]

Unless your state has a different policy, all stoppages of play reset the 10-second count like any other situation without the shot clock. It is only a college rule or above to not reset the count for some reason. And even in Men's college the only time you do not reset the count is really and out of bounds violation and maybe a held ball. Otherwise, every other stoppage of play resets the count.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Unless your state has a different policy, all stoppages of play reset the 10-second count like any other situation without the shot clock. It is only a college rule or above to not reset the count for some reason. And even in Men's college the only time you do not reset the count is really and out of bounds violation and maybe a held ball. Otherwise, every other stoppage of play resets the count.



Peace

It's been a minute, but for NCAA Men's I remember there were 4 specific incidents that would cause the 10 second count NOT to reset. Otherwise, it resets.

1) technical foul on offense
2) held ball retained by offense
3) OOB retained by offense

Cannot clearly remember the 4th one, but want to say maybe a double foul?

And I definitely remember conversations about how an inadvertent whistle would penalize the defense because of a new 10 second count.

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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

It's been a minute, but for NCAA Men's I remember there were 4 specific incidents that would cause the 10 second count NOT to reset. Otherwise, it resets.

1) technical foul on offense
2) held ball retained by offense
3) OOB retained by offense

Cannot clearly remember the 4th one, but want to say maybe a double foul?

And I definitely remember conversations about how an inadvertent whistle would penalize the defense because of a new 10 second count.

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And add Time Out by the offense for NCAAW.

Acronym HOTT.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Raymond

It's been a minute, but for NCAA Men's I remember there were 4 specific incidents that would cause the 10 second count NOT to reset. Otherwise, it resets.

2) held ball retained by offense

That looks like a hosing produced by the switch to alternating possession. With the jump ball, wouldn't they have gotten a fresh 10 seconds? So why, with alternating possessions, was it decided they would not?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

That looks like a hosing produced by the switch to alternating possession. With the jump ball, wouldn't they have gotten a fresh 10 seconds? So why, with alternating possessions, was it decided they would not?

It used to be that the team would always get a new 10-seconds when the ball became dead in the BC. The, about 10-years ago, the rules committees decided to use the shot clock to measure the 10-seconds rather than a count. And, the teams get a new 10-seconds EXCEPT HOTT (NCAAW) and some similar (but slightly different) set of criteria for NCAAM. (For the first couple of years, in NCAAW, a eam would get a new 10-seconds if they used a TO; that was changed).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Unless your state has a different policy ...

JRutledge is correct.

It appears that the NFHS has decided to relegate the minutiae of shot clock rules to the individual states.

2021-22 NFHS Basketball Comments On The Rules
… decisions will need to be addressed within each of the states … many other rules considerations that will need to be reviewed regarding full and partial resets …

2022-23 NFHS Basketball Rule Changes
… shot clock guidelines were simplified to suggest a full reset of the shot clock after a ball is intentionally kicked or fisted. However, states may choose to institute a partial reset in these instances, if desired.

[Raymond]

I'm going to say coaches want to be rewarded for good defense and they lobbied for that rule change.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

JRutledge is correct.

It appears that the NFHS has decided to relegate the minutiae of shot clock rules to the individual states.

2021-22 NFHS Basketball Comments On The Rules
… decisions will need to be addressed within each of the states … many other rules considerations that will need to be reviewed regarding full and partial resets …

2022-23 NFHS Basketball Rule Changes
… shot clock guidelines were simplified to suggest a full reset of the shot clock after a ball is intentionally kicked or fisted. However, states may choose to institute a partial reset in these instances, if desired.

It is a state-adopted rule. The main thing is it is 35 seconds and I know of some states that have done little tweaks to parts of the rule like when resets happen or do not happen. Also, some states already had a shot clock so they were not following the NF changes anyway.

Peace