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Old Mon Jan 13, 2025, 04:40pm
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Another news update from today. It's not NFHS. It's not for the entire IAABO universe. Just for Connecticut.

Note: Connecticut has a CIAC rule that if a player gets a technical foul they must sit a tick.

Play #5: A2 is fouled and awarded 2 Free Throws. Prior to
attempting the Free Throws, A2 is assessed a Technical Foul. Team
A has no substitutes to shoot A2's free throws as A2 must "sit a
tick".
Answer: The coach of Team A picks a player on the court to
shoot A2's free throws. Team B shoots 2 free throws because of
the Technical Foul. Team B is awarded a throw in at the
Division Line. Team A must play with 4 players until the next
whistle after time has come off the clock. (IAABO Rules Guide
16:4: A)


Can anybody come up with a NFHS interpretation where playing with five trumps sitting a tick?

Hint: It's Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s favorite caseplay.

The CIAC can jump up and down and scream and holler until the cows come home, but unless A2's TF was his/her 5th Foul, 2nd TF, or was a FTF, he/she will remain in the Game until he/she becomes a Disqualified Player per R4-S14-A1.

See NFHS Case Book Play 8.2 Situation B.

When I wrote the RULING for this Situation in January 2008, I told Mary Struckhoff (NFHS Basketball Rules Editor) that there were two conflicting Rules: R3-S1-A1 and R3-S3-A4, and that R3-S1-A1, NOT R3-S3-A4, was the governing Rule but she did NOT listen to me (and do not get me started), so disregard Rule reference R3-S3-A4 because R3-S1-A1 IS the governing Rule, NOT R3-S3-A4. As far as R2-S3 (The God Rule), I forget what school year that Rule reference was added to the Case Book Play but it was done without anyone on the NFHS Rules Committee consulting me as I told Mary back in January 2008 that it does NOT apply because we have R3-S1-A1.

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Last edited by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.; Tue Jan 21, 2025 at 02:57pm. Reason: Added Mary Struckhoff's title and corrected a typo.
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Old Wed Jan 15, 2025, 10:12am
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The CIAC can jump up and down and scream and holler until the cows come home, but unless A2's TF was his/her 5th Foul, 2nd TF, or was a FTF, he/she will remain in the Game until he/she becomes a Disqualified Player per R4-S14-A1.
Sometimes playing with five does not trump sit a tick.

3.1.1 SITUATION: After six players have been disqualified, Team A has only four who are eligible to continue in the game as players. In a gesture of fair play, the coach of Team B indicates a desire to withdraw a player so that each team will have four players on the court. RULING: This is not permissible. Team B must have five players participating as long as it has that number available. If no substitute is available, a team must continue with fewer than five players. When only one player remains to participate, that team shall forfeit the game unless the referee believes this team still has an opportunity to win the game.
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Old Wed Jan 15, 2025, 11:30am
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Sometimes playing with five does not trump sit a tick.

3.1.1 SITUATION: After six players have been disqualified, Team A has only four who are eligible to continue in the game as players. In a gesture of fair play, the coach of Team B indicates a desire to withdraw a player so that each team will have four players on the court. RULING: This is not permissible. Team B must have five players participating as long as it has that number available. If no substitute is available, a team must continue with fewer than five players. When only one player remains to participate, that team shall forfeit the game unless the referee believes this team still has an opportunity to win the game.

While NFHS R3-S1-A1 (has been in the Rules since the beginning of Time, lol, including the NBC and NCAA Men's Rules) is the governing Rule for CB Play 8.2B, it is my opinion that NFHS CB Play 3.1.1 (which has been in the Case Book for decades) pertains to the NOTE in R3-S1-A1 and is not a supporting Case Book Play for CB Play 8.2B.

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