Backcourt Violation Magic Spots ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

22) The throw-in spot for a backcourt violation is the nearest of the four designated frontcourt throw-in spots to where the violation occurred. Is the official correct?

Let's look at a more realistic practical situation, a situation most of us have really seen a few times.

Ball handler A1 is dribbling in his frontcourt very near and parallel to the division line. The dribbled ball strikes the division line, bounces up, and is touched by A1 who is fully standing in his frontcourt.

Backcourt violation.

Where is ball inbounded, in the new backcourt (closest spot to violation), or in the new frontcourt (the nearest of the four designated frontcourt throwin spots to where the violation occurred)?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Let's look at a more realistic practical situation, a situation most of us have really seen a few times.

Ball handler A1 is dribbling in his frontcourt very near and parallel to the division line. The dribbled ball strikes the division line, bounces up, and is touched by A1 who is fully standing in his frontcourt.

Backcourt violation.

Where is ball inbounded, in the new backcourt (closest spot to violation), or in the new frontcourt (the nearest of the four designated frontcourt throwin spots to where the violation occurred)?

In NCAA Men's, stepping on the division line leads to a division line throw and a 30 second shot clock.

When high school went to this rule, I believe my very first post was about the NFHS needing to clarify where they want the throw-in on a back court violation that involves stepping on the division line.

I'm sure based on that post somebody else in the forum came up with a citation.



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

When high school went to this rule, I believe my very first post was about the NFHS needing to clarify where they want the throw-in on a back court violation that involves stepping on the division line.

2023-24 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations
SITUATION 9: A1, while dribbling the ball in team A’s frontcourt, steps on but not over the division line. RULING: Backcourt violation. COMMENT: The ball was in team control in the frontcourt and went to the backcourt when A1 contacted the division line. Team B is awarded a possession throw-in in its frontcourt at one of the four designated spots nearest the violation.

In my most recent situation the ball, not the player, touches the division line.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

2023-24 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations
SITUATION 9: A1, while dribbling the ball in team A’s frontcourt, steps on but not over the division line. RULING: Backcourt violation. COMMENT: The ball was in team control in the frontcourt and went to the backcourt when A1 contacted the division line. Team B is awarded a possession throw-in in its frontcourt at one of the four designated spots nearest the violation.

In my most recent situation the ball, not the player, touches the division line.

I think that's Situation 10.

Situation 9 is:

SITUATION 9: A1, located in Team A’s frontcourt, passes the ball to A2. The ball strikes the division line and continues to A2, who is also in the frontcourt, without being touched by an opponent. RULING: Backcourt violation. COMMENT: The ball was in team control in the frontcourt and went to the backcourt when it contacted the division line and first touched by Team A. Since the violation occurred in Team A’s frontcourt, Team B is awarded a possession throw-in in its backcourt at the spot nearest the violation. (9-9-1, 9-9 PENALTY)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think that's Situation 10.

Thanks bob jenkins.

2023-24 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 8: A1, located in Team A’s frontcourt, passes the ball to A2. The ball strikes the division line and continues to A2, who is also in the frontcourt, without being touched by an opponent. RULING: Backcourt violation. COMMENT: The ball was in team control in the frontcourt and went to the backcourt when it contacted the division line and first touched by Team A. Since the violation occurred in Team A’s frontcourt, Team B is awarded a possession throw-in in its backcourt at the spot nearest the violation. (9-9-1, 9-9 PENALTY)

SITUATION 9: A1, while dribbling the ball in team A’s frontcourt, steps on but not over the division line. RULING: Backcourt violation. COMMENT: The ball was in team control in the frontcourt and went to the backcourt when A1 contacted the division line. Team B is awarded a possession throw-in in its frontcourt at one of the four designated spots nearest the violation. (9-9-1, 9-9 PENALTY)

I can't wait to tell IAABO to put SITUATION 8 in their pipe and smoke it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

2023-24 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 9: A1, while dribbling the ball in team A’s frontcourt, steps on but not over the division line. RULING: Backcourt violation. COMMENT: The ball was in team control in the frontcourt and went to the backcourt when A1 contacted the division line. Team B is awarded a possession throw-in in its frontcourt at one of the four designated spots nearest the violation.



In my most recent situation the ball, not the player, touches the division line.

What does that matter to the answer to any of these questions? The ball touching the division line is not a violation until a player touches the ball.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

What does that matter to the answer to any of these questions? The ball touching the division line is not a violation until a player touches the ball.

I already covered that:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

That ball can sit on the division line untouched for a ten seconds and not be a violation. It only becomes a backcourt violation when it's touched by A1 who is fully standing in his frontcourt.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Let's look at a more realistic practical situation, a situation most of us have really seen a few times. Ball handler A1 is dribbling in his frontcourt very near and parallel to the division line. The dribbled ball strikes the division line, bounces up, and is touched by A1 who is fully standing in his frontcourt.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Let's look at a more realistic practical situation, a situation most of us have really seen a few times.

Ball handler A1 is dribbling in his frontcourt very near and parallel to the division line. The dribbled ball strikes the division line, bounces up, and is touched by A1 who is fully standing in his frontcourt.

Backcourt violation.

Where is ball inbounded, in the new backcourt (closest spot to violation), or in the new frontcourt (the nearest of the four designated frontcourt throwin spots to where the violation occurred)?

Ask yourself: Is the violation when the ball hits the division line (inbound at one of the four spots* in B's FC) or when A again touches the ball (inbound at the OOB spot nearest the violation in B's BC)? That will give you the answer you need.

* -- Note the lack of the word "magic" -- there's nothing magic, or even very special, about these spots.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... there's nothing magic, or even very special, about these spots.

I coined the term "magic spots" based on a song from my teens, "Magic Bus", recorded by the Who in 1968.

It, surprisingly, caught on in my circle of middle school officials.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Is the violation when the ball hits the division line (inbound at one of the four spots in B's FC) or when A again touches the ball (inbound at the OOB spot nearest the violation in B's BC)?

I have, and it's not a difficult question. That ball can sit on the division line untouched for a ten seconds and not be a violation.

It only becomes a backcourt violation when it's touched by A1 who is fully standing in his frontcourt.

Once decided that it's a backcourt violation, lets look at the penalty:

9-9 Backcourt Penalty: The opponent is awarded a possession throwin its frontcourt at one of the four designated spots nearest the violation.

It's the only penalty listed for backcourt violations.

Is that the correct penalty for this specific situation?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Let's look at a more realistic practical situation, a situation most of us have really seen a few times.

2017-18 Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 8: A1, while dribbling the ball in the frontcourt near the midcourt line, has the ball strike the midcourt line and as the ball comes up from the dribble, A1 touches the ball and continues to dribble. RULING: Backcourt violation. A1 may not be the first to touch the ball in the backcourt if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt, before it went to the backcourt. (9-9-1)

[BillyMac]

2024-25 IAABO Refresher Exam

22) The throw-in spot for a backcourt violation is the nearest of the four designated frontcourt throw-in spots to where the violation occurred. Is the official correct?

IAABO answer yes

Heard today from the IAABO Co-Coordinators of Interpreters that the correct answer should be no due to a few odd situations where the ball will be inbounded in the new backcourt.

A statement in formal logic is considered true if it is true in all contexts and under all conditions.

In some specific situations, interpretations “trump” rule language.