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Unsporting fouls are defined under article 14: "ART. 14 . . . An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play" Do you not consider being in an illegal position to be "behavior not in accordance with fair play" or "unfair conduct"? Other actions considered to be unfair have written penalties and we adjudicate accordingly. Again, I would ask, is this an instance of illegal play that is not penalized? So far, some are suggesting yes. If so, an occurrence of that is very rare...as in perhaps argued by some as being the only instance of this in the rule book. (the requirement of the scorer wearing stripes might be argued as anther instance but that is a different thread) Quote:
I am merely trying to determine if this is a case of an illegal activity that has no documented penalty. It appears to be the case. A player can break a rule and not be penalized within the rule book.
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Setting a screen, even a bad one is not unsporting behavior.
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Unsure why this is mentioned as this is for team technical....unsporting behavior is also under player technical. ??? Quote:
Perhaps I am overthinking but I also think maybe you are over simplifying. Your blanket comments "Just like the example of swinging hard but missing the player on a block attempt is not a foul either. You do not call a foul for something that would only be illegal if there was contact but there is no actual contact." do not seem accurate. We know of excessively blocking a shot is called as an infraction even though no contact was made with the shooter. Also, swinging a punch, without contact, is also certainly penalized. These are 2 examples of calling fouls without any contact being made. I get your point...applying those blanket statements during "normal" course of play. Makes perfect sense. But also remember my point, no to dispute what you are communicating, but rather to see if anyone else can think of a situation where doing something illegal is not penalized by written rule. Anyone? Can anyone think of one or some? Billy? Rule book experts?
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Throwing a punch and missing is a flagrant technical foul, like almost every other technical foul, it does not require contact. Throwing a punch and missing cannot be a flagrant personal foul because flagrant personal fouls require contact. Thus neither example from Bucky is relevant. Where I officiate, a person's career would last about the length of a game if they started penalizing illegal screens without there being contact.
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NFHS 10-4 is Player Technical (at least in 22-23; the latest book I have handy at the moment). And, one of the articles references unsporting fouls. A wide screen with no contact is not one of them
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Illegal Position Advantage ..
bucky is dead wrong, but I get what he's saying.
An offensive player setting a screen in an illegal position (extra wise stance, extended knees, extended elbows, moving) is gaining an advantage when a defensive player is forced, avoiding contact, to go the "long way" around such an illegal position screen. But with no contact, it's not a foul, and I doubt that it will ever be a violation (like excessive swinging of elbows with no contact). I get your position bucky, but you're dead wrong.
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Some players don't know how to set legal screens. Some players don't know how to use legal screens. Some players don't know how to create illegal contact that will benefit them to their advantage, they shy away from such illegal contact (go around it). And, of course, some players are trying to win Academy Awards.
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"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) “I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36) Last edited by BillyMac; Sat Jun 29, 2024 at 05:36pm. |
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Wow, posters here sure are confusing. How can I be dead wrong...or even wrong... when I agreed with everyone? Not one time did I indicate an illegal screen should be called without contact. I merely asked questions about it...literal questions. Furthermore, I indicated, more than once, that I was not disputing anyone and that my focus was on this situation (an illegal position) being one that carried no written penalty. I even went so far as to ask if anyone could think of others...repeatedly. No one responded to that but yet, they kept going on about the illegal screen concern.
Strange responses folks. Look at the words typed. Of course, I have been through this many times on this site. People read into things without focusing on the actual words. I've been gone too long. Now I recall what I was missing. Issue closed. Thanks for feedback.
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