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That is how it called that I am aware. It is where the contact takes place that matters, not just the set up of the screener.
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Must there be contact?
A1 sets a screen with their legs spread very far apart. This forces a defender to completely change their path by moving in a wide motion, to avoid contact. This allows the offense player to easily get open. Illegal screen even without contact?
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I call illegal screens all the time for contact with extended knees and extended elbows.
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Could it be considered a technical foul (non-contact) then?
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If the extra-wide stance is illegal but nothing can be called without contact, is this an instance whereby we have an illegal action in the rulebook but no penalty? (I can think of only one other instance)
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Only if you think it's somehow "unsporting" -- and this example doesn't fit with any of the other examples of "unsporting" in the rules book.
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Unsporting fouls are defined under article 14: "ART. 14 . . . An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play" Do you not consider being in an illegal position to be "behavior not in accordance with fair play" or "unfair conduct"? Other actions considered to be unfair have written penalties and we adjudicate accordingly. Again, I would ask, is this an instance of illegal play that is not penalized? So far, some are suggesting yes. If so, an occurrence of that is very rare...as in perhaps argued by some as being the only instance of this in the rule book. (the requirement of the scorer wearing stripes might be argued as anther instance but that is a different thread) Quote:
I am merely trying to determine if this is a case of an illegal activity that has no documented penalty. It appears to be the case. A player can break a rule and not be penalized within the rule book.
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Setting a screen, even a bad one is not unsporting behavior.
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Unsure why this is mentioned as this is for team technical....unsporting behavior is also under player technical. ??? Quote:
Perhaps I am overthinking but I also think maybe you are over simplifying. Your blanket comments "Just like the example of swinging hard but missing the player on a block attempt is not a foul either. You do not call a foul for something that would only be illegal if there was contact but there is no actual contact." do not seem accurate. We know of excessively blocking a shot is called as an infraction even though no contact was made with the shooter. Also, swinging a punch, without contact, is also certainly penalized. These are 2 examples of calling fouls without any contact being made. I get your point...applying those blanket statements during "normal" course of play. Makes perfect sense. But also remember my point, no to dispute what you are communicating, but rather to see if anyone else can think of a situation where doing something illegal is not penalized by written rule. Anyone? Can anyone think of one or some? Billy? Rule book experts?
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