Legal or illegal throw-in?

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Nope.

The action does not meet the NFHS definition of a throw-in and is therefore illegal.

Why? The ball must be passed according to the following:
4-42-4 . . . The throw-in count ends when the ball is released by the thrower so the passed ball goes directly into the court.
&
7-6-2 . . .The throw-in begins when the ball is at the disposal of a player of the team entitled to the throw-in. The thrower shall release the ball on a pass directly into the court, except as in 7-5-7, within five seconds after the throw-in begins. …

And a pass is defined as:
4-31
A pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the ball to another player.

Would you call this a violation or just reset and initiate a proper throw in?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rfp

Player A-1 scores. Player B-1, who is inbounds, throws the ball to player B-2 who is completely out-of-bounds. Player B-2 doesn't catch the thrown ball, but it bounces off his chest and lands inbounds where B-1 retrieves it and proceeds to dribble up the court.

Originally Posted by thumpferee

Would you call this a violation or just reset and initiate a proper throw in?

While one can't argue with Nevadarefs' rule citations, I was thinking the same thing.

But lets say that B2 never really had possession (holding or dribbling) out of bounds.

What if B2 (who was picking himself off the floor out of bounds) wasn't expecting a pass because he had his back to B1 (who was simply "flicking" the ball out of bounds, to no one in particular), and the ball accidentally bounced off of B2's back?

Or if B2 wasn't fully ready (looking at his feet to make sure that he was out of bounds) to accept a pass from B1 (who was simply "flicking" the ball out of bounds, to no one in particular) and the ball was accidentally fumbled of muffed by B2 onto the playing court?

All within five seconds.

And, just for fun, add in a "steal" and score by A1 off the accidental ball off the chest, ball off the back, or the fumbled ball.

Or instead of B1 retrieving the ball and proceeding to dribble up the court, imagine that B2 steps onto the playing court to pick up the loose ball off of his chest bump, back bump, or fumble, or muff, and returns out of bounds to "reset" himself? All within five seconds? Again, B2 never really had possession (holding or dribbling) before picking up the inbound loose ball.

Do we allow an inbounder (or free thrower) to "reset" when we, as an officials, screw up the hand off or the bounce pass?

Does actual possession (holding or dribbling) out of bounds count for anything here?

Interesting thread. Thanks rfp.