Administrative Technical Fouls

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Altor

Is this right? I was expecting the arrow to be set when Team B received the ball for the FT, meaning Team A gets the ball to start the game AND the arrow. This is more fair, but is not the ruling I was expecting.

If the ball will remain live if the FT is missed, then set the arrow when the FT starts. IF the ball will remain dead (and be followed by a throw-in as part of the penalty), then wait until the throw-in.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Altor

Is this right? I was expecting the arrow to be set when Team B received the ball for the FT, meaning Team A gets the ball to start the game AND the arrow. This is more fair, but is not the ruling I was expecting.

Yes it is correct. The penalty for a technical foul is the free throws and subsequent throw-in. You don't set the arrow for free throws if the ball is not going to be live after the last free throw.

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[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Yes it is correct. The penalty for a technical foul is the free throws and subsequent throw-in. You don't set the arrow for free throws if the ball is not going to be live after the last free throw.

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That makes sense. If A violates on the throw-in, B gets possession and the arrow.

[Altor]

Thanks all. I no longer have access to basketball rule books, so I couldn't look it up myself.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IF the ball will remain dead (and be followed by a throw-in as part of the penalty), then wait until the throw-in.

Originally Posted by Raymond

You don't set the arrow for free throws if the ball is not going to be live after the last free throw.

Good example would be technical foul free throws to start an overtime.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the ball will remain live if the FT is missed, then set the arrow when the FT starts.

Good example would be a bonus free throws near the beginning of an overtime period for a common foul that occurs after the jump ball is tossed, but before the ball is touched by the jumpers.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the ball will remain live if the FT is missed, then set the arrow when the FT starts.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good example would be a bonus free throws near the beginning of an overtime period for a common foul that occurs after the jump ball is tossed, but before the ball is touched by the jumpers.

... or after the ball is touched by a jumper but before anybody gains control.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good example would be a bonus free throws near the beginning of an overtime period for a common foul that occurs after the jump ball is tossed, but before the ball is touched by the jumpers.

What would be different if the jumpers did touch the ball? You would still set the AP arrow when the ball is at the disposal of the free throw shooter.

And if there's an intentional, technical, or flagrant foul after the jumpers touch the ball, you wouldn't set he AP arrow until the throw-in starts, not during the free throws.



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

What would be different if the jumpers did touch the ball?

Nothing, which is why I added my second post.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... or after the ball is touched by a jumper but before anybody gains control.

Nice thread reminding us about pregame team versus pregame individual technical fouls, and when to set the arrow during such.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

And if there's an intentional, technical, or flagrant foul after the jumpers touch the ball, you wouldn't set he AP arrow until the throw-in starts, not during the free throws.

Easy way for me to remember - no rebounders.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Altor

Is this right? I was expecting the arrow to be set when Team B received the ball for the FT, meaning Team A gets the ball to start the game AND the arrow. This is more fair, but is not the ruling I was expecting.

Yes, it's correct. When FTs are awarded before the alternating possession arrow has been set, the arrow is set as follows:

1) When the ball will remain dead after the free throws and play will be resumed with a throw-in, the arrow is set to the non-throw-in team when the ball is at the thrower's disposal;

OR

2) When the ball will remain live after the free throws and players will be allowed to line up to attempt to rebound a missed attempt, then the arrow is set to the non-free-throwing team when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower. (Rule 4-3)