Administrative Technical Fouls

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

We discussed this in Dec 2016.

3.4.3 SITUATION C: Starter, A1, has brought the wrong uniform and with eight minutes on the clock prior to the start of the game, switches with A15 and now is wearing a legal jersey but a new number. With two minutes on the clock prior to the start of the game, it is discovered that starter, B1, is wearing a different jersey than indicated in the scorebook. It is confirmed that a wrong number was provided to the official scorer and a change is made to reflect the correct number in the scorebook. RULING: Both Team A and B are charged with an administrative technical foul for changing a number in the scorebook and will begin the game with one team foul toward the bonus. No free throws are awarded and the game will begin at the point of interruption, which is the opening jump ball. COMMENT: When each team is assessed one technical foul prior to the game, a double technical foul has occurred, as this is considered "approximately the same time." (4- 19-8b, 4-36-2c, 10-1-2) (See 6.4.1 SITUATION A)

TECHNICAL BEFORE QUARTER STARTS
6.4.1 SITUATION A: Twelve minutes before the game is scheduled to start, team member A1 dunks the ball and is charged with a technical foul. B1 is discovered to be wearing an illegal jersey, as the players prepare for the start of the game. RULING: The game will be started by awarding Team B two free throws for A1’s technical foul. Team A will then be given two free throws and the ball for a division-line throw-in for B1’s infraction. When the thrower of Team A has the ball for the throw-in, they have control for purposes of establishing the alternating possession procedure and the arrow
is immediately set toward B’s basket. Team B will have the first opportunity for an alternating-possession throw-in. (4-3)


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So what is the difference? Why offset the technicals in the first scenario and not award any FTs, but shoot all four in the second play ruling?
The best rationale that we could determine was that in the first situation both infractions were Team technical fouls for something administrative and not charged to any individual (head coach or team member). So the NFHS wants those to offset and the game to begin with a jump ball.
However, in play ruling 6.4.1 the infractions result in technical fouls which are charged to individuals (the team member who dunked and directly to the Head Coach for allowing an illegal uniform), so those technicals do not offset and the FTs are administered in the order in which the fouls occurred and possession is awarded without a jump ball.

We can add this casebook play to the list of pre-game technical fouls that do not offset, as these would also be charged to individual team members just like in 6.4.1 Sit A.

6.4.1 SITUATION F: A team member of Team A is detected dunking about five minutes before the game and a team member of B does the same thing about a minute later.

RULING: The game will start with administration of the technical-foul free throws in the order in which the fouls were called. Team B shoots first followed by Team A. Team A will then be given the ball for a throw-in at the division line opposite the table. When the thrower of Team A is bounced the ball or it is placed at Team A's disposal, the possession arrow will be set pointing toward Team B's basket. (4-3, 7-5-6a)

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin

We can add this casebook play to the list of pre-game technical fouls that do not offset, as these would also be charged to individual team members just like in 6.4.1 Sit A.

6.4.1 SITUATION F: A team member of Team A is detected dunking about five minutes before the game and a team member of B does the same thing about a minute later.

RULING: The game will start with administration of the technical-foul free throws in the order in which the fouls were called. Team B shoots first followed by Team A. Team A will then be given the ball for a throw-in at the division line opposite the table. When the thrower of Team A is bounced the ball or it is placed at Team A's disposal, the possession arrow will be set pointing toward Team B's basket. (4-3, 7-5-6a)

Is this right? I was expecting the arrow to be set when Team B received the ball for the FT, meaning Team A gets the ball to start the game AND the arrow. This is more fair, but is not the ruling I was expecting.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Altor

Is this right? I was expecting the arrow to be set when Team B received the ball for the FT, meaning Team A gets the ball to start the game AND the arrow. This is more fair, but is not the ruling I was expecting.

If the ball will remain live if the FT is missed, then set the arrow when the FT starts. IF the ball will remain dead (and be followed by a throw-in as part of the penalty), then wait until the throw-in.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Altor

Is this right? I was expecting the arrow to be set when Team B received the ball for the FT, meaning Team A gets the ball to start the game AND the arrow. This is more fair, but is not the ruling I was expecting.

Yes it is correct. The penalty for a technical foul is the free throws and subsequent throw-in. You don't set the arrow for free throws if the ball is not going to be live after the last free throw.

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[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Yes it is correct. The penalty for a technical foul is the free throws and subsequent throw-in. You don't set the arrow for free throws if the ball is not going to be live after the last free throw.

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That makes sense. If A violates on the throw-in, B gets possession and the arrow.

[Altor]

Thanks all. I no longer have access to basketball rule books, so I couldn't look it up myself.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IF the ball will remain dead (and be followed by a throw-in as part of the penalty), then wait until the throw-in.

Originally Posted by Raymond

You don't set the arrow for free throws if the ball is not going to be live after the last free throw.

Good example would be technical foul free throws to start an overtime.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the ball will remain live if the FT is missed, then set the arrow when the FT starts.

Good example would be a bonus free throws near the beginning of an overtime period for a common foul that occurs after the jump ball is tossed, but before the ball is touched by the jumpers.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the ball will remain live if the FT is missed, then set the arrow when the FT starts.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good example would be a bonus free throws near the beginning of an overtime period for a common foul that occurs after the jump ball is tossed, but before the ball is touched by the jumpers.

... or after the ball is touched by a jumper but before anybody gains control.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good example would be a bonus free throws near the beginning of an overtime period for a common foul that occurs after the jump ball is tossed, but before the ball is touched by the jumpers.

What would be different if the jumpers did touch the ball? You would still set the AP arrow when the ball is at the disposal of the free throw shooter.

And if there's an intentional, technical, or flagrant foul after the jumpers touch the ball, you wouldn't set he AP arrow until the throw-in starts, not during the free throws.



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

What would be different if the jumpers did touch the ball?

Nothing, which is why I added my second post.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... or after the ball is touched by a jumper but before anybody gains control.

Nice thread reminding us about pregame team versus pregame individual technical fouls, and when to set the arrow during such.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

And if there's an intentional, technical, or flagrant foul after the jumpers touch the ball, you wouldn't set he AP arrow until the throw-in starts, not during the free throws.

Easy way for me to remember - no rebounders.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Altor

Is this right? I was expecting the arrow to be set when Team B received the ball for the FT, meaning Team A gets the ball to start the game AND the arrow. This is more fair, but is not the ruling I was expecting.

Yes, it's correct. When FTs are awarded before the alternating possession arrow has been set, the arrow is set as follows:

1) When the ball will remain dead after the free throws and play will be resumed with a throw-in, the arrow is set to the non-throw-in team when the ball is at the thrower's disposal;

OR

2) When the ball will remain live after the free throws and players will be allowed to line up to attempt to rebound a missed attempt, then the arrow is set to the non-free-throwing team when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower. (Rule 4-3)